Is there any tanks that feel like your playing a tank and not a DPS ?

I would really appreciate it if Square Enix would bring the defenders values like block, dodge or parry back into the game.

Currently I feel forced to be a DPS class just like the healers. Actually they could do away with the classic Protection / Damage / Healer line up and give each class utilities to fill each role individually.

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Originally Posted by Vejj

I would really appreciate it if Square Enix would bring the defenders values like block, dodge or parry back into the game.

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I don't know how much I want RNG to factor into my mitigation...

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Originally Posted by ItMe

I don't know how much I want RNG to factor into my mitigation...

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I do and it's not at all, it simply doesn't work in this game. Damage always comes in predictable bursts, adding RNG mitigation into the mix completely throws off cooldown planning for the fight.

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Originally Posted by Vejj

I would really appreciate it if Square Enix would bring the defenders values like block, dodge or parry back into the game.

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For those to be viable, fights need to be designed very differently. Proc based mitigation works best with fights that have a constant mostly stable stream of incoming damage where the Law of Large Numbers can take effect. It does not work with the very spike heavy tank buster focused fight design of FFXIV.

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Currently I feel forced to be a DPS class just like the healers. Actually they could do away with the classic Protection / Damage / Healer line up and give each class utilities to fill each role individually.

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And then you end up with fights that are less mechanically complex and more based around dealing damage as fast as possible. The Trinity role division system actually allows fights to be more complex.

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Originally Posted by Ultimatecalibur

For those to be viable, fights need to be designed very differently. Proc based mitigation works best with fights that have a constant mostly stable stream of incoming damage where the Law of Large Numbers can take effect. It does not work with the very spike heavy tank buster focused fight design of FFXIV.



And then you end up with fights that are less mechanically complex and more based around dealing damage as fast as possible. The Trinity role division system actually allows fights to be more complex.

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Or worse, either forces a restrictive meta to be used in order to have the best chance of clearing content, or else required a homogenization of the jobs in such a way that you may as well just destroy any remaining identity. As limiting as the Trinity can sometimes feel, by distinctly separating the roles the way they do, SE doesn't paint themselves into a corner as far as encounter design goes. If they plan for always having 2 tanks, 2 healers and 4 dps, then they know there is a baseline they can operate from as far as encounter design goes.

And to be fair, they've been doing well thus far. Earlier ShB stuff was perhaps a bit on the easy side, but Eden 5-8S and the last 4 EX fights have thrown a lot of mechanically interesting stuff at players.

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Originally Posted by Venur

Is there any tanks that feel like your playing a tank and not a DPS ?

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In XIV? Not really.

Just go for whichever 'DPS + some mitigation skills' job has the aesthetic or apm flow that most clicks with you.

If you're looking for the ability to clutch out a fight in a manner besides just dealing faintly more average dps over time, though... PLD will likely be the most obviously and iconically attractive, though WAR can produce about as much support over time at less cost to output.