So, what's your opinion on current healer jobs

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06-02-2020, 05:33 AM
Billythepancake

Simply put, I find healers incredibly boring. Currently want to clear TEA, then go on to cancel my sub until they're fixed. IF they're fixed. I should not feel punished for playing my class well.
06-02-2020, 06:34 AM
ForteNightshade

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Originally Posted by Risvertasashi

But the balance is not really a problem. AST is the strongest healer by far so you could argue for a bit of a nerf, but right now all 3 healers can be used pretty equally as long as one of them is AST. Granted it's not ideal to have one healer be required, but it's about time the required healer isn't SCH for a change, and as long as all of them are desirable - I call that pretty good.

You nerf Astro and it immediately dies. The job was literally five times below WHM and SCH until the 5.1 changes. As someone already mentioned, it's basically being played because it's strong not for its gameplay.

With that said, people keep bringing up how badly White Mage suffered prior to Shadowbringers. A big reason for that is, frankly, FFlogs. Before the change to rDPS, all that mattered was your personal DPS. Therefore, any job without utility wasn't only weaker itself but an outright hindrance to your parse. Black Mage and Samurai suffered for the exact same reason. You straight up couldn't get a higher parse with a WHM/SCH comp. That is no longer a thing because rDPS is factored. Choosing a Samurai or White Mage over a Dragoon or Astro will not hurt you. Now that isn't to say White Mage didn't need help. It did. But the shift to rDPS played a bigger role than anything SE did.
06-02-2020, 06:44 AM
Barraind

How healers feel as someone who heals easy content and tanks hard content:

Benison run a bit Holy holy holy holy holy assize holy dia glare glare glare glare glare glare run forward a little Benison Dia glare glare glare glare glare glare glare glare healpuddle glare dia glare glare glare glare assize glare glare glare benison glare glare glare glare glare lily heal glare eyes glaze over finish dungeon on autopilot oh god this is boring.

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With that said, people keep bringing up how badly White Mage suffered prior to Shadowbringers. A big reason for that is, frankly, FFlogs.

White Mage added almost nothing to a raid group that scholar or astro did not (more healing isnt "something" when you're spending an overwhelming majority of your gcd's not healing), where the other two healers provided significantly more utility.

Taking a white mage meant your overall group performance decreased. Could you do it? Sure. Was it always a worse choice if you could get a healer who was as comfortable on scholar or ast as they were on wm? Yes.
06-02-2020, 10:18 AM
PharisHanasaki

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Originally Posted by Seraphor

I also enjoy the new AST, and don't think the new cards offer any less variety of choice while resulting in a more consistent output for the good of the party. Choosing whether to give a ranged or a melee is no different to choosing to give the old Arrow to a BLM/SAM or Spear to BRD/MNK or Balance to your best dps, it's still just being presented with an option and choosing the correct target. It's just different options and different targets.

You're talking about variety of targets, we're referring to variety of buffs.
Thinking about who to use the card on is like saying choosing which mob to kill first in a pull is variety of choice.

On another note, everyone is just talking about savage and raiding. I'm talking about the general appeal of healers, you know, in solo mode, dungeons, normal trials, AST is just so tiring. WHM is like a walk in the park.
I don't like either, neither too easy nor too hard, that's why I enjoy big pulls, they are challenging but they shouldn't be straining.
06-02-2020, 10:34 AM
Insertusernamehere

Played AST in S.blood.. But switched to WHM after SE rework AST mini card game.
I kinda regret it... because preventing damage far more important than healing damage IMO.
Having BIG heal does not help when you lack ability to prevent damage.
%10 damage reduction Temperance (Lv80) nice but compared to AST Collective Unconscious (Lv58) its kinda meh :)
06-02-2020, 10:37 AM
Billythepancake

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Originally Posted by Insertusernamehere

Played AST in S.blood.. But switched to WHM after SE rework AST mini card game.
I kinda regret it... because preventing damage far more important than healing damage IMO.
Having BIG heal does not help when you lack ability to prevent damage.
%10 damage reduction Temperance (Lv80) nice but compared to AST Collective Unconscious (Lv58) its kinda meh :)

WHM has some of the best mitigation in dungeons. Mobs can't hurt enemies if they're stunned with holy. You can have half the pull do no damage.
06-02-2020, 10:38 AM
Insertusernamehere

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Originally Posted by Billythepancake

WHM has some of the best mitigation in dungeons. Mobs can't hurt enemies if they're stunned with holy. You can have half the pull do no damage.

I was thinking / talking about savage. Dungeon any healer okay I think.
06-02-2020, 10:42 AM
PharisHanasaki

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Originally Posted by Insertusernamehere

I was thinking / talking about savage. Dungeon any healer okay I think.

No, for dungeons WHM is the best at mitigation, simply because of holy. Which pretty much stops all incoming damage for a few seconds.
Maybe SCH has better shields, but AST's nocturnal cost makes it really bad the longer the battle drags. Big pulls with low DPS = no mana after a while.
I prefer Diurnal, even with no mitigation at least I don't run out of mana.
06-02-2020, 10:52 AM
Insertusernamehere

Okay holy nice.. but it doesnt help in savege :3 and in dugneon really does it matter?
I am not familiar with new savage tier but I do remember I had very hard time on e2s and e3s at pre-enrage phase if I dont have any lily available I will have hard time to deal with it.
However AST can handle it with ease (Heal check wave 1: Collective Unconscious Heal check wave 2: Earthly Star both skills instant cast and does not affect AST dps) I don't need to do any extra WHM healing I just DPS.
06-02-2020, 01:18 PM
GrimGale

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Originally Posted by Insertusernamehere

Okay holy nice.. but it doesnt help in savege :3 and in dugneon really does it matter?
I am not familiar with new savage tier but I do remember I had very hard time on e2s and e3s at pre-enrage phase if I dont have any lily available I will have hard time to deal with it.
However AST can handle it with ease (Heal check wave 1: Collective Unconscious Heal check wave 2: Earthly Star both skills instant cast and does not affect AST dps) I don't need to do any extra WHM healing I just DPS.

That's why you don't run double WHM.

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