Healer Unhappiness exists on the Jap Healing Forums as well.

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Originally Posted by Raiya

They might not care or they're just to embarrassed to say anything right now because they failed to reform healing to the expectations of the player-base and are working away at fixing this again.

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In Yoshi-P and the team's defense, they've learned since 2.0 not to say anything that isn't set in stone because the playerbase takes whatever they said and either treats it like dogma and backlashes when it either doesn't happen or happen in the way they wanted or criticizes the hell out of it before anything is finalized (not to say it isn't warranted/needed at times).
IF they are planning major healer changes, they're going to keep quiet so they don't see any backlash.

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Originally Posted by Mimilu

In Yoshi-P and the team's defense, they've learned since 2.0 not to say anything that isn't set in stone because the playerbase takes whatever they said and either treats it like dogma and backlashes when it either doesn't happen or happen in the way they wanted or criticizes the hell out of it before anything is finalized (not to say it isn't warranted/needed at times).
IF they are planning major healer changes, they're going to keep quiet so they don't see any backlash.

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While thats true, at this point healers really could use some reassurance that the devs have even heard our complaints.
I dont even need them to say they are working on something at this point its been so long.

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Originally Posted by Mimilu

In Yoshi-P and the team's defense, they've learned since 2.0 not to say anything that isn't set in stone because the playerbase takes whatever they said and either treats it like dogma and backlashes when it either doesn't happen or happen in the way they wanted or criticizes the hell out of it before anything is finalized (not to say it isn't warranted/needed at times).
IF they are planning major healer changes, they're going to keep quiet so they don't see any backlash.

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When it comes to healing, we are beyond that. We know it; they know it. It isn't even the player demand for a response. The status of healing all by itself necessitates a response from them. Everyone could be completely oblivious to the current issues, and they would still have to say something. They don't need to be specific about any changes, but they do need to cast some kind of lifeline to get healers out of their tailspin in limbo.

It's either that, or they can just allow us to continue to believe that they don't care about healers.

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Originally Posted by Gemina

When it comes to healing, we are beyond that. We know it; they know it. It isn't even the player demand for a response. The status of healing all by itself necessitates a response from them. Everyone could be completely oblivious to the current issues, and they would still have to say something. They don't need to be specific about any changes, but they do need to cast some kind of lifeline to get healers out of their tailspin in limbo.

It's either that, or they can just allow us to continue to believe that they don't care about healers.

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Which.... let's be honest, they dont. Otherwise Shadowbringer changes would have never happened.

Not sure what problems people are experiencing with healers. I finished leveling them to 80 and had a blast. I especially loved the WHM attack/healing rotation. Healing this time around became so fast paced and intense. Burning wall to wall adds down while keeping the tank alive is perfect.

AST was great too though I didn’t like the card management. Too many cards to micro manage. I overcame and enjoyed it.

SCH healing and DPS was weak. Maybe I didn’t figure out the balance of the two, but I still enjoyed it.

Only thing I would change or add is more AOE attacks that also heal. I love those. Maybe more attacks and heals that combo off of each other while they’re in play.

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Originally Posted by LalafellDown

Not sure what problems people are experiencing with healers. I finished leveling them to 80 and had a blast. I especially loved the WHM attack/healing rotation. Healing this time around became so fast paced and intense. Burning wall to wall adds down while keeping the tank alive is perfect.

AST was great too though I didn’t like the card management. Too many cards to micro manage. I overcame and enjoyed it.

SCH healing and DPS was weak. Maybe I didn’t figure out the balance of the two, but I still enjoyed it.

Only thing I would change or add is more AOE attacks that also heal. I love those. Maybe more attacks and heals that combo off of each other while they’re in play.

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The problems people are experiencing is that even in high end content the majority of the time you're pressing 2 buttons, your nuke and your dot. When the game is designed in such a way that gcd healing is mostly uneccessary, the gcd damage rotation should be more interesting

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Originally Posted by Maltothoris

I say if anything it makes them rememer heavensward more. There wasn't a single major patch without buffs to astro until 3.5 cause they buffed the heck out of in 3.4 with the 20 percent balance.

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I mean the problem whas astro whas still not good healing wise but just havin aoe Balance with 10 % dmg on 8 player and the fights not being this hard as Alexander 8 or 4 and 3 made it way mor possible. Astro whas ofc not so bad like at whas at the start of Heavensward

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Originally Posted by LalafellDown

Not sure what problems people are experiencing with healers. I finished leveling them to 80 and had a blast. I especially loved the WHM attack/healing rotation. Healing this time around became so fast paced and intense. Burning wall to wall adds down while keeping the tank alive is perfect.

AST was great too though I didn’t like the card management. Too many cards to micro manage. I overcame and enjoyed it.

SCH healing and DPS was weak. Maybe I didn’t figure out the balance of the two, but I still enjoyed it.

Only thing I would change or add is more AOE attacks that also heal. I love those. Maybe more attacks and heals that combo off of each other while they’re in play.

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On top of what ReiMakoto said, healers other issues are;

Ast has controller issues when trying to optimise which stem from how the targeting system works for controller, if done at extended periods of time starts to cause some players hand cramps that no other job has ever caused, this has not even been acknowledge by the devs so atm can chalk it up to ignorance on their part, unintended most likely but they have created a system that actively hurts their playerbase and are ignoring it at least openly to the community.

Sch's fairy has been made worse from SB, the fairy was made less responsive intentionally, now can ghost (ask her to pop an ability it goes on cd but never goes off) abilities especially Seraph the lv 80 capstone and their only 'fix' for it has been to add seconds onto duration of Seraph but make it do nothing during those seconds for summoning animation. Sch's fairy in SB was the standard SE needed to bring Smn's pets to but instead they brought Sch's fairy down to Smn's pets they went ass backwards.

Whm is subject to powercreep because of their fundemental principles that Whm cannot have any damage utility, Lillies as nice as they are now yet they still have the glaring flaw of are they needed, Lillies need a non heal option to spend on as they will never ever make healing always needed, downtime exists and as such lillies need an out for said downtime.

Now I'm guessing you just leveled hlrs as alt jobs most likely 70-80 which means you don't see another issue others do, Msq progression is a huge slog on healers as you have your dps rotation at level 4/8 asking people to enjoy all solo instances, mob killing, fates, dungeons, trials that happen for over 70 levels is just urgh.

An example: Just imagine healer mains fought Ran'jit 3x and each time nothing changed at all for them, they did not evolve, Ran'jit bout 1 was the same fight for Whm/Ast/Sch as Ran'jit bout 3 whereas ever other job actively changed.

Healers have been designed for group content only, a fundemental flaw when so much is emphasized as solo particularly the msq.



All this is just the tip of healer issues people now have.

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Originally Posted by FoxCh40s

Which.... let's be honest, they dont. Otherwise Shadowbringer changes would have never happened.

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I agree and disagree. The ShB changes were happening no matter what. These changes however, were not made with what a lot of the healer community had in mind. This doesn't mean they are not listening. SE would truly have to operating from the moon or something to not hear the cries and echos; what it does mean is that the healer community is being ignored and/or neglected. This is what they have to answer for when I say it is imperative that they speak up. That's what I want to hear, and couldn't care less about job adjustments right now. We are still well over a year before 6.0, and that is when we can expect changes.

As always the only true effector of change in a scenario like this is an adverse effect on their wallet.

Don't be confused about who is pulling the strings in the grand scheme. Simplification could be the most hated word YP and his team have ever encountered but that will matter little, if the projection of financial gain supports the opposite stance. Engine, CGI, right down to the tiny flower rearrangement for your new shiny zone. Net gain vs net loss. You may feel ignored but rest assured you haven't been unheard. A veritable casual who barely logs in could manage to peruse the community feelings on the forums and reddit alone, during a 30 minute lunchbreak in a single random day - and then leave somewhat informed. So replace that with 'team who earn money from this'; and you'll quickly see - ignorance of your feelings is impossible.

As with almost all things in life the person with the purse is king. All bow.

If the backpocket, is inline with the change you want you'll see it in time. If not? Don't hold your breath.