SE, please nerf Dancer if you aren't going to fix bard.

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Originally Posted by Maero

Exactly. DNC to me just seems "ok"
Dungeon runs however hands down, DNC tears groups apart but i still feel like the jobs are not at all close to being balanced.
Groups do still bring Bard in Savage but i could be wrong but i have not seen DNC in the latest Eden.

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Look again.

All physical ranged dps are as played as other dps jobs.
Ironically, BLM in the second least played dps despite being the current top rdps job bar none.

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Originally Posted by Lastelli

Look again.

All physical ranged dps are as played as other dps jobs.
Ironically, BLM in the second least played dps despite being the current top rdps job bar none.

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Popularity is tied to gameplay, not damages (And or utility if you look at SB's meta mentality).
Take a look at Stormblood, BRD was so much simpler that it had from 3 to 4 times the number of MCH parses yet MCH had more damages than BRD.
BLM was rarely popular.

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Originally Posted by CKNovel

Popularity is tied to gameplay, not damages (And or utility if you look at SB's meta mentality).
Take a look at Stormblood, BRD was so much simpler that it had from 3 to 4 times the number of MCH parses yet MCH had more damages than BRD.
BLM was rarely popular.

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That's not entirely correct.
First, BRD has been much stronger than MCH for the majority of StB. It wasn't until a buff at the end of the expansion that MCH became competitive (arguably stronger in some cases), but at that point it was too late. Also, MCH had gameplay issues and was very ping dependent, making it unviable for many players with poor internet connections. This is not the case anymore, as there are a couple of tricks that can be used to remove latency problems (and the current rotation is way easier than before, which is why you also see more MCH compared to StB).
Second, BLM is currently widely recognized as one of the best DPS jobs as far as gameplay/rotation flow goes. The problem is that you need to work hard to be rewarded with the top tier dps it can potentially output and a small mistake can result in a significant dps loss. Also, it's not a "prog job" because many parties prefer to bring the additional safety net of a caster's raise, so many people naturally gravitate towards the next most powerful caster.

In any case, I was simply answering the guy I quoted to show that DNC is as present as BRD and MCH in the new savage tier.

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Originally Posted by Crushnight

I sure do love being excluded from parties due to them already having a mch/brd but more than welcoming 2x casters/melees /s

The only reason physical range is taken is the 1% stat up, that is glorified babysitting and so sad to see, yes physical range was op in past but the role didn't need this level of undertuning where it is a big enough detriment to have 2 in a party that it is more worthwhile taking an average caster/melee over a god tier physical range.

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Same :/ I wanted to be DNC main for the entirety of Shadow but for Savage i am to be a Red Mage. There are various reasons i guess for groups to not want multiple ranged like DNC and Bard or Mach

Dancer pretty much killed Bard, it's even worse in PVP where Bard used to be the easiest/best ranged now its the worst because Dancer is so strong. :cool:

Good. It's time for bard to be NERFED HARD. It's time for it to join Warrior at the bottom of the barrel :). Same thing with SMN, for too long they have enjoyed cushy positions in parties.

RISE MY BROTHERS! RISE!!!

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Originally Posted by Lastelli

Look again.

All physical ranged dps are as played as other dps jobs.
Ironically, BLM in the second least played dps despite being the current top rdps job bar none.

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That might not be correct anymore after patch 5.2,

My stuff is showing a drastic increase in Red Mage power in Dungeons.

So that might no longer apply.

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Originally Posted by Silverquick

That might not be correct anymore after patch 5.2,

My stuff is showing a drastic increase in Red Mage power in Dungeons.

So that might no longer apply.

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You do realize that's 5.2 data right?

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Originally Posted by Kabooa

You do realize that's 5.2 data right?

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Try this link instead...

https://www.fflogs.com/zone/statisti...t=3&metric=dps

It doesn't show anything even remotely close to that.

Black Mage 89.12
Samurai 85.07
Red Mage 83.57
Summoner 83.18
Ninja 83.16
Machinist 82.93
Dragoon 82.86
Monk 82.11
Bard 76.10
Dancer 74.04

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Originally Posted by Silverquick

Try this link instead...

https://www.fflogs.com/zone/statisti...t=3&metric=dps

It doesn't show anything even remotely close to that.

Black Mage 89.12
Samurai 85.07
Red Mage 83.57
Summoner 83.18
Ninja 83.16
Machinist 82.93
Dragoon 82.86
Monk 82.11
Bard 76.10
Dancer 74.04

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Bro..... you just linked dungeons.

...Dungeons...

There is nto a single shred of useful data on that page.