We need to blackball people who pull S Marks too early.

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Originally Posted by Dzonathan

If it were up to me I'd do what WoW did and turn hunts into regular rares with zone wide announcement that spawn every hour or so.
Kills of the flavour doesn't it? Sorry, players are too pragmatic to bother with something inane like that.

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I would love to see a world wide announcement option of the "You sense the presence of a powerful mark..." that players could optionally enable and that would include the zone name. That way players on the world where the S rank has spawned would be getting alerted just as quickly as those off world using third party mods, even though they still wouldn't be getting exact coordinates.

It was rather annoying early this morning that 3 of us had been working on and off for about 3 hours to spawn Senmurv just to have it finally spawn and discover a small group including a few wanderers already sitting next to it when we got there. Fortunately, they were very polite and waiting unlike other occasions in the past where those using the mods have pulled on arrival.

The third party hunt mods exist and SE can't afford to pretend that they don't. If they aren't going to do something to block these mods (which is quite possible if it means breaking normal game play functions), then they need to add tools to the game that give players who don't want to/can't use the mods the same advantages.

Funny enough, some people seem too invested in this. Witch hunting won't help neither will blacklisting or 'naughty list'- which is actually against ToS while hunts are open world content. You just learn to accept that you won't get them all. You'll miss some hunts, it sucks but it is what it is sadly and harassing the player is likely to get you more in trouble than they will.

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Originally Posted by Rueby

Funny enough, some people seem too invested in this. Witch hunting won't help neither will blacklisting or 'naughty list'- which is actually against ToS while hunts are open world content. You just learn to accept that you won't get them all. You'll miss some hunts, it sucks but it is what it is sadly and harassing the player is likely to get you more in trouble than they will.

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This is a bad take to have. Almost as garbage as SE's current stance on the situation.

Early pullers are scummy, plain and simple. They are fully aware that hitting a hunt target before the designated time set by the spawner creates a FOMO effect causing everyone else to start hitting it too. It is nothing but griefing towards every other player currently at the hunt target or on their way to it and malicious use of the ToS for protection to continue doing it. A handful of despicable individuals that SE would rather protect instead of the far larger hunting community that follows basic etiquette. Shameful display on SE's end.

Anyone on PS5?

I'm on PS4 & the load times to get to another server often kill my chances at S ranks.

Do PS5 players have this problem?

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Originally Posted by Crobeus

This is a bad take to have. Almost as garbage as SE's current stance on the situation.

Early pullers are scummy, plain and simple. They are fully aware that hitting a hunt target before the designated time set by the spawner creates a FOMO effect causing everyone else to start hitting it too. It is nothing but griefing towards every other player currently at the hunt target or on their way to it and malicious use of the ToS for protection to continue doing it. A handful of despicable individuals that SE would rather protect instead of the far larger hunting community that follows basic etiquette. Shameful display on SE's end.

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Early pullers can't be scummy as there is no such thing as early pulling

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Originally Posted by VictorTheed

Anyone on PS5?

I'm on PS4 & the load times to get to another server often kill my chances at S ranks.

Do PS5 players have this problem?

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Load times for PS5 players are quite a bit faster but internet connection can still play a role in how long it takes. There are some PS4 players who say they don't have issues with load times because they've got better internet service.

Regardless of loading speed, you shouldn't expect to make it to a S rank that spawns on a world other than the one you're currently on unless you're playing during off peak hours. Even during off peak it can depend on which expansion it's from. Hunters going after achievements show up in larger numbers at ShB and EW hunts than earlier expansions thanks to the expansion specific achievements.

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Originally Posted by FireMage

Early pullers can't be scummy as there is no such thing as early pulling

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There may be no such thing as early pulling but there is such a thing as being courteous and helpful.

On the other hand, a lot of times I've seen people complaining about early pulls even though the mark had been up a few minutes longer than usual before it was pulled. Others in the community can't help it if someone is getting delayed relays.

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Originally Posted by Jojoya

Load times for PS5 players are quite a bit faster but internet connection can still play a role in how long it takes. There are some PS4 players who say they don't have issues with load times because they've got better internet service.

Regardless of loading speed, you shouldn't expect to make it to a S rank that spawns on a world other than the one you're currently on unless you're playing during off peak hours. Even during off peak it can depend on which expansion it's from. Hunters going after achievements show up in larger numbers at ShB and EW hunts than earlier expansions thanks to the expansion specific achievements.
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Ty for the info friend, I hope to Jesus one day I'll get the SHB hunt mount, the Triceratops is my favorite Dinosaur.

It took me all of SB to get the tiger hunt mount, but I quit dungeons & everything if I seen an S rank announcement, don't think I'll be going that hardcore again but then again if I want the mount I gotta put the work in for it.

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Originally Posted by Crobeus

Early pullers are scummy, plain and simple. They are fully aware that hitting a hunt target before the designated time set by the spawner creates a FOMO effect causing everyone else to start hitting it too.

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The problem with ARR hunts is that once its pulled, the puller can easily finish them off solo, so you are forced into joining. Waiting on that therefor does give a risk (in case it was an accidental pull), so joining in that case is simply better. And its not the spawner to decide it either, because for many players its unknown who it was anyway. And it also doesnt matter. Dedicated hunters are generaly quite well aware of what an accepted wait time is anyway. Whoever spawned it is completely irrelevant.

It is scummy to do, but other than that... nothing can be done. Its down to SE to handle this (i think a forced 5min invuln timer upon spawning would be the best solution, although that timer will then obviously also be the trigger to start attacking it). Punishing early pulls is a bad thing because there is nothing in the game mentioning this as an issue.

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Originally Posted by UkcsAlias

The problem with ARR hunts is that once its pulled, the puller can easily finish them off solo, so you are forced into joining. Waiting on that therefor does give a risk (in case it was an accidental pull), so joining in that case is simply better. And its not the spawner to decide it either, because for many players its unknown who it was anyway. And it also doesnt matter. Dedicated hunters are generaly quite well aware of what an accepted wait time is anyway. Whoever spawned it is completely irrelevant.

It is scummy to do, but other than that... nothing can be done. Its down to SE to handle this (i think a forced 5min invuln timer upon spawning would be the best solution, although that timer will then obviously also be the trigger to start attacking it). Punishing early pulls is a bad thing because there is nothing in the game mentioning this as an issue.

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While they can be killed solo, it still takes a while. People are generally safe to wait until it's down to about 50% before joining in.

Some weeks back, I had gone to W Thanalan to spawn Zona Seeker and got the powerful mark message as I zoned in. Found 2 players already attacking it. I sent out quick relays then repeat shouted that it was already pulled, to get a hit in then back away so others would have time to arrive. Zona was up for about 3 minutes from when I found it that way, which gave a lot of players time to arrive to get credit.

The community has the ability to control their FOMO if they feel that early pulls are a problem. If they chose to assist the hunter who pulled rather than wait, then they're saying they don't feel it's a problem after all.

Maybe a solution for people using bots to hunt S Ranks and spoil the fun of an entire datacenter would be to nerf the rewards?


Not really talking about tomestones or seals, but the ammount of kills needed to get the mounts. If they were easier to get, then people would just get them and stop wasting everyone else's time.

And maybe do it like the special gathering nodes and lock them to be exclusive to people from that world only. Or at least the first hit. Not sure how that would work, but surely would stop people from going to another world, spawn their monsters and kill them without giving a chance for people of the world to hunt them.


It's weird that Squenix doesn't do anything about this. I've seen great effort from the dev team to fix all sort of issues that cause friction between players, to make it much less toxic and more pleasant for everybody to play, but hunts are still such a mess.