WHM DPS needs to stay this high.

As a player of all healers, but Scholar main, I don't mind white mage having highest dps. Even though I know AST does need some hard healing potency buffs, I can speak for scholars when I say that it's less about numbers, and more about class identity and engagement. But let's be nice to one another man. We shouldn't demand death and despair to the other healers for the sake of our main to shine. We can all shine.

I think most scholars would be OK with their current dps numbers being spread across a more engaging dps rotation, an aetherflow dump, and more significant uses of faerie gauge.

Scholar has always been about planning and resource spreading. Most of that feeling... Was lost post ShB.

Can only agree 100%. There are more pressing issues for SCH and AST than dps values.

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Originally Posted by Exiled_Tonberry

Utility only gets stronger as ilv goes up, so what chain strategem is like now will be a lot different in about a couple months.
What I'm saying is that if they buff SCH and AST personal DPS now, WHM will have lost the only damage "utility" they bring to the raid and we'll then have to wonder if WHMs healing is worth it alone to bring them over an AST or SCH, abd I really doubt be it will be.

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You do realize that as ilvl goes up so does everyone's damage?

Link to current numbers

The 800 DPS difference between WHM and SCH is mostly made up by Chain Strategem.

The 2300 DPS difference (at max) between WHM and AST however... according to calculations AST provides 450 rDPS from Divination and 796 rDPS from cards at best unrealistic RNG which would mean over 1000 DPS difference remains.

This does not mean WHM needs to be brought down as then you'd need to adjust SCH as well, but AST really needs to be brought up.


The optimal way to play now with an AST would be to let AST heal with GCD if necessary and buff the party and let WHM mostly deal damage with on the side OGCD healing. As it was mentioned earlier, you'd also have the tank healing themselves because WHM can put out more damage.

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Originally Posted by BunnyChain

The 800 DPS difference between WHM and SCH is mostly made up by Chain Strategem.

The 2300 DPS difference (at max) between WHM and AST however... according to calculations AST provides 450 rDPS from Divination and 796 rDPS from cards at best unrealistic RNG which would mean over 1000 DPS difference remains.

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Chain Stratagem doesn't even remotely make up for the 800 DPS difference.

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Originally Posted by Deceptus

You call great healing, best damage, no MP management and great dungeon utility in Holy not having your cake and eating it too?

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The irony of this comment is that these benefits were already available to WHM in SB - the WHM kit has changed very little from SB to ShB. However, if any WHM listed these benefits when using a WHM in Stormsblood, they'd be laughed off the official forums.

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great healing

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"Completely unnecessary to heal Savage content"

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best damage

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"Best personal damage on a training dummy, content prevented WHM from achieving that best damage threshold compared to AST or SCH's kit"

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no MP management

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"Completely unnecessary in Savage content"

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great dungeon utility in Holy

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"You should never be balancing a healer around dungeon content, you should be balancing it around Savage and Ultimate where Holy is ultimately useless"

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Originally Posted by Ghishlain

The irony of this comment is that these were already the case for WHM in SB, but if any WHM said these were the benefits of bringing WHM in Stormsblood, they'd be laughed off the official forums.



"Completely unnecessary to heal Savage content"



"Best personal damage on a training dummy, content prevented WHM from achieving that best damage threshold compared to AST or SCH's kit"



"Completely unnecessary in Savage content"



"You should never be balancing a healer around dungeon content, you should be balancing it around Savage and Ultimate where Holy is ultimately useless"

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100% agree here with this post
I love when SCH cry about his op class is nerfed, played SCH in SB and this class was TOO MUCH, just too op

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Originally Posted by Dynia

I love when SCH cry about his op class is nerfed, played SCH in SB and this class was TOO MUCH, just too op

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SCH was not nerfed.

I’d be careful putting WHM anywhere near support DPS. NIN and SMN do way too much work to get overtaken by someone with like four buttons.

I’m all behind them having highest healer DPS. I want SCH dps rotation, but it doesn’t need to be high potency.

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Originally Posted by LariaKirin

SCH was not nerfed.

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so that why so many cry about SCH now ?

I just want to reiterate something to add to the original point: the less healing that a given encounter requires, the more it favors White Mage DPS. If we assume Savage content will be more difficult than relatively simple Extreme trials, we can expect WHM's relative DPS advantage to shrink as they are pushed to use more GCDs on healing.

Also, it's silly to compare top parses. Nobody is giggling and bringing a DNC to buff their AST to see if they can out-DPS the poor NIN, but I bet someone's doing that with WHM. The 75th percentile of parses is much more representative, and, surprise: the gaps are less egregious there than between the top parses. To wit, WHM-SCH is ~700 DPS at the average of the 75th percentile on Innocence, but the gap between top parses is ~1700; with WHM-AST it's 1500 and 2300, respectively. Losing a few Glares per minute to healing will close that gap even further. SCH is fine, aside from its usability issues.