Gunbreaker: thoughts and suggestions

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Originally Posted by Nedkel

It ticks 200 potency heal x6 once per 3 sec, its healing the same amount as equilibrium.
It could be used on a party member, therefore its better.
Not my fault you dont know the job you are playing.

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It's not better. The game is focused on burst damage, whether it's pulls (which people prefer wall-to-wall) or bosses (who throw out tank busters even in four man content). That makes a tank burst heal far more important than slower heals because it's not gonna help you much when you're taking a lot of incoming damage. Further, it synergizes poorly with the Gunbreaker skillset; Superbolide practically begs for a burst self heal, but what do you know, Gunbreaker's the only tank that doesn't have that. On the topic of using it on a party member, Clemency can ALSO be used on a party member, so Aurora isn't useful even in that regard. Aurora is more comparable to Thrill of Battle, except Thrill of Battle is far more useful with Equilibrium to synergize with it.

If you do it right before Superbolide you’re actually going to get about the same you would from equilibrium by the time it wears off.

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Originally Posted by Conando

If you do it right before Superbolide you’re actually going to get about the same you would from equilibrium by the time it wears off.

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Yeah, I know. I realize it has the same total potency as Equilibrium, it's just that the burst damage nature of FFXIV makes it a much less valuable skill than Equilibrium, because HP over time is far less valuable a tool for a tank than a burst heal.

It is what it is, though. I generally pop it near the start of a complete pull, or when a boss has taken off ~20% of my HP, and if they change it I'll change my use of it accordingly. I'm just saying that having the same total potency misses the context of the game archetype (that being burst damage).

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Originally Posted by MarvelousInRed

Yeah, I know. I realize it has the same total potency as Equilibrium, it's just that the burst damage nature of FFXIV makes it a much less valuable skill than Equilibrium, because HP over time is far less valuable a tool for a tank than a burst heal.

It is what it is, though. I generally pop it near the start of a complete pull, or when a boss has taken off ~20% of my HP, and if they change it I'll change my use of it accordingly. I'm just saying that having the same total potency misses the context of the game archetype (that being burst damage).

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Have you ever thought of maybe it’s for sustained mitigation instead of burst mitigation. Gunbreaker is a sustained mitigation tank which you can see from the frequency of brutal shell and aurora and (although not the best) camouflage. Like previously stated learn the job your playing or go play a different tank. Gunbreaker is fine.

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Originally Posted by MarvelousInRed

Superbolide practically begs for a burst self heal, but what do you know, Gunbreaker's the only tank that doesn't have that.

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Stares in Dark Knight... I mean I guess you're thinking of Abyssal Drain, but if we are talking about content that really matters (trials/raids), where you gonna actually have to use Superbolide, then Drk is in the same boat. Gnb isn't the only tank that doesn't have big burst healing.

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Originally Posted by MarvelousInRed

On the topic of using it on a party member, Clemency can ALSO be used on a party member, so Aurora isn't useful even in that regard. Aurora is more comparable to Thrill of Battle, except Thrill of Battle is far more useful with Equilibrium to synergize with it.

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No Aurora is superior to Clemency in normal raid conditions because you can use it without having to nerf your own dps. In reality, unless something is going to heck in a fight then you should never touch Clemency. It should basically be the condom of tank utility, "You'd rather have it and not need it than to need it and not have it."

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Originally Posted by Rox_Unlimited

Have you ever thought of maybe it’s for sustained mitigation instead of burst mitigation. Gunbreaker is a sustained mitigation tank which you can see from the frequency of brutal shell and aurora and (although not the best) camouflage. Like previously stated learn the job your playing or go play a different tank. Gunbreaker is fine.

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A lot of you react with serious hostility when someone critiques your precious game. Seriously, you people act like someone kicked your dog because we don't think Gunbreaker is perfect.

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Originally Posted by Sancho_Nyanta

No Aurora is superior to Clemency in normal raid conditions because you can use it without having to nerf your own dps. In reality, unless something is going to heck in a fight then you should never touch Clemency. It should basically be the condom of tank utility, "You'd rather have it and not need it than to need it and not have it."

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That still leaves the issue of it comparing unfavorably to Equilibrium and Thrill of Battle. Then again, WAR is the golden child, so that might not be the best comparison since WAR will always be better than everyone else.

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Originally Posted by MarvelousInRed

A lot of you react with serious hostility when someone critiques your precious game. Seriously, you people act like someone kicked your dog because we don't think Gunbreaker is perfect.



That still leaves the issue of it comparing unfavorably to Equilibrium and Thrill of Battle. Then again, WAR is the golden child, so that might not be the best comparison since WAR will always be better than everyone else.

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Not hostility, you just don’t understand the job. Yes the jobs not perfect but it’s far from needing crazy buffs. It’s performing extremely well if you know how to utilize your skills correctly. And just an FYI this is the best tanks have ever been balanced with each other and PLD and GNB are actually out dpsing WARs at the moment. Not by a long shot but WAR is not the king at the moment.

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Originally Posted by Rox_Unlimited

Not hostility, you just don’t understand the job. Yes the jobs not perfect but it’s far from needing crazy buffs. It’s performing extremely well if you know how to utilize your skills correctly. And just an FYI this is the best tanks have ever been balanced with each other and PLD and GNB are actually out dpsing WARs at the moment. Not by a long shot but WAR is not the king at the moment.

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I think you really don't understand where a lot of people are coming from. I personally love Gunbreaker. It's making me consider dropping WAR as a main after playing it for the last three expansions. That's how much I love it. I love the way it plays, and I love the style and aesthetic of the job.

That being said, we're not talking about crazy buffs right now, just some mild tweaks of things you yourself admit are not perfect. Camouflage changes (Parry to 100% would be a good one IMO because it still would make it underpowered for magical damage) or changing Aurora into a burst heal rather than a heal over time are minor tweaks that might make it play better or tighter. I'll still play and enjoy it even if those changes don't happen, and still believe the job is fine, but discussion does not mean dissatisfaction. Your assumption that I don't understand the job is just that; an assumption.

One thing I would like to see is an improvement to Brutal Shell. At the very least the effect should be allowed to refresh itself as currently if you for instance opt not to finish the full combo to get another brutal shell faster then you only get the heal and the shield times out. Ideally I would like to see the effect not only refresh but the shield allowed to stack with itself. This way despite the shield being weak you can build it up to something relatively strong, especially with support from other shields such as SCH shields. This would also make the sharing of the shield via Heart of Stone actually worthwhile as an effect.

Alternatively remove the heal component entirely and turn it into a 300 potency shield. Aurora can act as the health sustain option. Perhaps also give a new skill that grants a shield equal to a 1000 potency heal that grants damage resistance as long as the shield is in effect that can be shared via Heart of Stone. This would serve as the Equilibrium or Clemency counterpart but in a different vein then just a straight heal while also making the shield share of Heart of Stone actually useful in the off tank role.

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Originally Posted by MarvelousInRed

I think you really don't understand where a lot of people are coming from. I personally love Gunbreaker. It's making me consider dropping WAR as a main after playing it for the last three expansions. That's how much I love it. I love the way it plays, and I love the style and aesthetic of the job.

That being said, we're not talking about crazy buffs right now, just some mild tweaks of things you yourself admit are not perfect. Camouflage changes (Parry to 100% would be a good one IMO because it still would make it underpowered for magical damage) or changing Aurora into a burst heal rather than a heal over time are minor tweaks that might make it play better or tighter. I'll still play and enjoy it even if those changes don't happen, and still believe the job is fine, but discussion does not mean dissatisfaction. Your assumption that I don't understand the job is just that; an assumption.

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No I understand perfectly. Literally post being made every day about things like heart of stone being too weak or making brutal shell heal based off your damage. I’m saying the class is fine outside of quality of life besides camouflage which is bad compared to other cooldowns but not completely garbage. Aurora doesn’t need to be a burst heal. What for? Do we want gunbreaker to be on its way to a carbon copy of warrior and the class hasn’t even been out a month. Hell they already made Delirium for dark knight an off brand Inner release. The tank is designed for sustained damage and at the moment that’s where it shines. Let warrior be warrior and deal with burst damage where it shines.