Wars in need if potency increases

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Originally Posted by xJimmehx

War does have the lowest dps in end game dungeons and third lowest in ex trials according to fflogs. I am disappointed seeing this as I had chosen war because it was the highest dps tank and loved fell cleave being such a large skill. Lets be honest. Eventually everything will be about speed runs. The tank with the highest dps, theoretically gets out faster.

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It could be a little more complicated than that, depending on fight design. If WAR has a great burst DPS, it could help skip some phases that could make fights faster. In that case, having one of the lowest average DPS would not hinder WAR that much.

The example that comes to mind is Zurvan EX and the famous "skip Soar" that could be achieved far more easily if one of your tanks is a WAR with a massively powerful opener.

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Originally Posted by WhyAmIHere

No.
You refuse to accept the chance that you're wrong, and instead of admitting fault, you instead direct that negativity towards those of us telling you, and explaining with raw numbers, how you're incorrect.

There's nothing more toxic than someone with a superiority complex who refuses to admit defeat when they are completely misguided on what it is they're talking about.

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The numbers provided were out of context and subjective. Disagreeing is not toxic but strong arming someone and telling them they have a superiority complex is toxic.

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Originally Posted by xJimmehx

Side note, Yoshida said WAR was the most powerful tank. He lied. Peoples parses on fflogs show that is not the case. I assume that parsing is accurate or they wouldnt be using them? I kinda dont like that I was lied to. Though he could have ment something else.. but we dont seem to shine in any department. Do wars even accel at anything? Maybe when it comes to demanding buffs.. we scream the loudest? XD

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yoship say WAR have the most powerful attack, not the strongest dps tank, so he didn't lie since inner chaos is the most powerful hit of the tanks.

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Originally Posted by Schrute

And the poop slinging rude accusations begin. Give me all your toxicity. Great community on the official forums

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Because nobody give a flying eff about lv50 content. Make a better point next time?

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Originally Posted by Jukebox12

War doesn't need a buff due to how crit will scale later in this expansion. Also inner beast does more damage then storm path combo in a single Gcd. Also why are we even discussing this OP is wrong we all know it.

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I hear people claiming that but I don't see how. If all these great raid buffs don't impact WAR now, how is having a higher crit rate in the future going to make a difference? WAR won't improve in a vacuum, the other tanks will get stronger too.

My suspicion is that SE tried to balance the other tanks around WARs output, but in so doing they neglected to factor in "what if" the other tanks had similar DHCrit rates. This is exactly what's happening. War doesn't benefit from a lot buffs since our burst window already DHCrit. But because the other tanks were scaled up to match damage output, and are now being buffed to similar DHCrit rates, it blows WAR out of the water as a result.

Basically, Xeno cucked Warrior 2 years in advance.

Oh no, war isn't the best for the first time since 2.1. Whatever will we do.

War scales with crit because crit adds crit damage. The tanks are within a few hundred dps of each other. It's fine.

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Originally Posted by whiskeybravo

Because

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Crit increase crit chance and crit damage

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Originally Posted by Jukebox12

Crit increase crit chance and crit damage

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We already have 100% crit rate for burst. So we get a couple more % of damage from stacking it. That's not what I'm debating.

What I said is that Warrior doesn't improve in a vacuum. Other tanks stats will go up and they'll also benefit from increased crit % and crit damage. On top of benefiting from raid buffs that we don't.

Crit scaling isn't going to make that much of a difference. Not to mention the massive assumption about stat itemization on future gear.

I’m saying this knowing WAR will be buffed, but I don’t see why they should always be top dps for tanks. They have better utility and mitigation than GNB and are very similar to DRK in play style. True PLD is the utility king but they also have to compete in dps to feature in end game content.

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Originally Posted by Dortharl

I’m saying this knowing WAR will be buffed, but I don’t see why they should always be top dps for tanks. They have better utility and mitigation than GNB and are very similar to DRK in play style. True PLD is the utility king but they also have to compete in dps to feature in end game content.

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Why is MCH top ranged DPS?
Why is BLM top caster DPS?
Why is SAM top melee DPS?

Because there has to be one. If you want to argue that they have the highest pDPS because they lack rDPS support, well, all of the tanks have pretty equal party support so technically they should all be doing the same damage. Why then should any tank do more damage than War? Warrior is the berserker job.

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Originally Posted by whiskeybravo

We already have 100% crit rate for burst. So we get a couple more % of damage from stacking it. That's not what I'm debating.

What I said is that Warrior doesn't improve in a vacuum. Other tanks stats will go up and they'll also benefit from increased crit % and crit damage. On top of benefiting from raid buffs that we don't.

Crit scaling isn't going to make that much of a difference. Not to mention the massive assumption about stat itemization on future gear.

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Interesting take. Only concern is we do not know for sure what the crit scaling will be and how that will translate to raw damage. If there are potency increases in the future, and then crit scaling unintentionally multiplies the damage too high, there would be the need for potency reductions.

I think there are two routes they can go. Increase fell-cleave potency or change the functionality of onslaught, and it’s potency