next job and race speculation.

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Originally Posted by Skivvy

Viera are not simply hyurs with bunny ears (and clawed hands, unique feet and tail)

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What tail?

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Originally Posted by Edax

What tail?

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They have clip-ons. I do like how you're ignoring everything else and just choosing to be pedantic at this point.

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Originally Posted by Skivvy

the comment was tongue-in-cheek.

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Originally Posted by Skivvy

They have clip-ons. I do like how you're ignoring everything else and just choosing to be pedantic at this point.

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You say your comment was tongue-in-cheek but your mad I'm ignoring it now? Okay...
But if the point was that Viera are complex and you talk about tails, and I see no tails in the artwork, then how seriously am I supposed to be taking your tongue-in-cheek comments?

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Originally Posted by Edax

You say your comment was tongue-in-cheek but your mad I'm ignoring it now? Okay...
But if the point was that Viera are complex and you talk about tails, and I see no tails in the artwork, then how seriously am I supposed to be taking your tongue-in-cheek comments?

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Geezus. The sarcastic bit was about tactics-moogles being the same as Lalas with ears slapped on it. However, if we're doing this, your original post did clearly ignore every other racial difference that a Viera has to offer, and you simply boiled it down to it being " the easiest to implement (just add rabbit ears!)".

So yes, per my original comment, I really dislike when people pull the "it's just <basic race with animal parts tossed on>" because that's not true at all. I also found it quite humorous that after your comment stating more or less the same sentiment, you went on to push for tactics-moogles. I mean, they're both short and have pear shaped bodies. Practically identical, right? Also, that was more sarcasm.

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Originally Posted by Skivvy

Geezus. The sarcastic bit was about tactics-moogles being the same as Lalas with ears slapped on it. However, if we're doing this, your original post did clearly ignore every other racial difference that a Viera has to offer, and you simply boiled it down to it being " the easiest to implement (just add rabbit ears!)".

So yes, per my original comment, I really dislike when people pull the "it's just <basic race with animal parts tossed on>" because that's not true at all. I also found it quite humorous that after your comment stating more or less the same sentiment, you went on to push for tactics-moogles. I mean, they're both short and have pear shaped bodies. Practically identical, right? Also, that was more sarcasm.

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They Viera very very little racial differences from everyone else. I think you made up the fact that Viera have tails to make them sound complex and that hurts your point. I'll concede they have claws, along with the bunny ears. Still hardly impressive sounding to me.

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Originally Posted by JunseiKei

A while ago, I had read something that implied the area that Garlemald rests has little to no aether, resulting in extreme weather severity and shifts. For all that we know, the true reason they can't use magic is because of the area they call home and never learned to harness it. That, or the magic they possess is simply too different (as it is, we have seen Ascians wield magic both familiar and unfamiliar to our heroes). Least we forget, Garleans didn't develop magitek so much as they stole knowledge of it in lost information of Allag, even while magitek is the combination of magic and machinery. Curiously, the Garleans lacked magitek until Solus (1513 of the sixth astral era) and discovery of ceruleum (which is just draining the aether from a crystal - unaspected crystals are supposedly the product of crystals that have had their aether drained).

The Burn is supposed to be devoid of aether, yet we can spellcast, as well as saw those Ascian Hunters casting there as well. There's still a few patches for story to develop that could potentially address this (or the expansion itself if Garleans were to be one of the two races) to still render this plausible. As it were, I'd have never predicted Garleans to recreate and place the echo into others as it were, which is what we've seen here in Stormblood. Or able to extract our souls from our body.

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That's fair, but there are 2 holes to poke :P The first is that in their national story, they were persecuted and forced to leave other lands, and settled where they did because they had too, meaning they came from more aether rich locations originally. The second is that even in aether soaked areas, known Garleans (Cid, Nero, Lucia, Gaius, Nael) are incapable of magic. The only way they have magic in their army at all is through conquering other groups.

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Originally Posted by Theodric

This is a common misconception. The lore book states that they can use magic - it's simply rare.

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That would most likely refer to the rare individual rather than a rare choice, meaning lorewise, it wouldn't make sense to suddenly have thousands of black mages running about, draining the land of aether (as Black and White mages in mass are almost as bad as primals).

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Originally Posted by Lusavari

That's fair, but there are 2 holes to poke :P The first is that in their national story, they were persecuted and forced to leave other lands, and settled where they did because they had too, meaning they came from more aether rich locations originally. The second is that even in aether soaked areas, known Garleans (Cid, Nero, Lucia, Gaius, Nael) are incapable of magic. The only way they have magic in their army at all is through conquering other groups.

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To this, I'd say [almost] every human on Earth is perfectly capable of reading and writing. However, they usually have to be taught the skills. Moreover, if you think you are completely incapable, you might not seek that knowledge in the first place. Or, as I said, the magic is wholly different (black magic and white magic being discovered in the fifth astral age - thousands of years after Allag fell and summoning was already lost). The lore has already been set up as to why we don't have X class with a simple 'the knowledge was lost, but survived with individuals in possible remote locations.'

All I am saying is I am not discounting Garleans because the knowledge we have is just limited enough to be explained away easily in a couple of story expansions. If it doesn't, it doesn't. If it does, well w00t, we get to play half baked Ascians.

Expansion:

- I’m with people on Blue Mage, Dancer, and some sort of Magitek class.

- Viera seem like they are also 90% going to happen. Yoshi P has also been refusing to talk about new races of late, and not just in one interview. For the past couple of months he has declined to comment on them every single time. Normally he’s extremely open on commenting about anything, even if it’s his disgust. For him to have no comment on it seems like an order from someone. It’s likely his marketing team. Viera also are not just hyur with horns. Putting cat ears on a Hyur, wolf ears on a Miqote, or horns on a Hyur does not change the species.. you just look like that races body shape with an add on. Remember that Padjal are technically hyur who grow horns. It doesn’t change them! It makes them Hyur that have some sort of an analmity.

- Ronso might be real, but they could just get demoted to a beast tribe. While I hope that’s not the case, I wouldn’t completely be disappointed. I do really want a beast race, but I wouldn’t mind doing quests for them.

Beyond:

- Lupin would be a great choice for a second Othard expansion. They don’t seem like a beast tribe at all. They’re widely distributed, and mixed in with the Domans.

- I would like more small races, but not for it to be the Viera unless we get two clans of different styles. Tall Au Ra + Viera + Ronso + Lupin would mean that more than half of the races are tall.. we need a couple of new short to medium sized ones.

I'm just gonna leave this right here.

http://i68.tinypic.com/1y4e48.jpg

Definitely would be okay with Viera and Ronso

I wonder if ronso will stay beast like or just be Au ra with more scruffy hair maybe even body hair instead of scales