Petition - Bring back the Need button in 24 mans

I believe someone in the JP community wanted this change because they wanted to take their already geared out mains to the 24 man raid so they can roll gear for their alt jobs without having to play them so not to lose efficiency by having to play an alt.

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Originally Posted by Zumi

I believe someone in the JP community wanted this change because they wanted to take their already geared out mains to the 24 man raid so they can roll gear for their alt jobs without having to play them so not to lose efficiency by having to play an alt.

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But you don't have to play an alt. You can still Greed on your main. You only lost the chance if someone actually on that class was in the party so they could Need. A fair trade, in my eyes.

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Originally Posted by TaleraRistain

But you don't have to play an alt. You can still Greed on your main. You only lost the chance if someone actually on that class was in the party so they could Need. A fair trade, in my eyes.

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I think it was some people then felt obligated to go on that alt to roll need on the gear they wanted and the alt being less geared was a loss of efficiency for that player when they could of used their main which was more geared.

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Originally Posted by Zumi

I think it was some people then felt obligated to go on that alt to roll need on the gear they wanted and the alt being less geared was a loss of efficiency for that player when they could of used their main which was more geared.

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That was the perception a player was pushing in the other thread before the change dropped. A few google translates of the current state of the Japanese forums shows most players aren't actually as happy with this as that one player or the developers seemed to believe. Most are just as confused as we are.

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Originally Posted by Tridus

If the JP players are more polite, they don't need this change. Then can politely ask someone to decline to roll for someone else.

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Not only that, but I believe that the dev should've just said them to play that job if they want that reward ( which I think thay said that once for some other reason which I don't remember)

I don't ever and will never run 24 man raids, but I liked your post and agree.

I think the removal of the need button is actually a mistake, that doesn't really benefit anyone much unlike the MSQ roulette change.

In the spirit of being semi-open minded, I did go ahead and try it. My first run through however did nothing to change my mind about how awful this is going to feel. First of all, seeing as almost the entire group was new, it was a mess for both me and the other white mage I was co-healing with. Every fight it was a frantic game of trying to keep each other alive so we could not only help raise our entire alliance from the ground two to three times a boss, but also to help raise the other alliance healers when they both went down. It might have at least felt a challenge worth the reward when finally on the last boss a pair of healer gloves dropped. Guess what though, neither I or the other White Mage roll high enough and they end up going to a Red Mage who spent most of the run eating ground.

As someone who A. Levels other classes on actual different characters and therefore is only there to gear the Job I'm actively participating as and B. wouldn't roll on job gear I wasn't playing as in an all greed situation anyway, I was more than a little ticked off. Ticked off enough that if it happens again before the last boss, I'd be very, very tempted to stop paying any attention to the person who did it. You die after stealing healer gear while on a DPS job? I hope you figure out a way to bring yourself back to life. Have a nice day.

Now that I tried it and I didn't really like it didn't get what I wanted cause of it had to settle for something else.

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Originally Posted by Deceptus

As it stands right now there zero reason to go on your main character (mostly affects tanks and heals) because you're not guaranteed the loot if it drops and you're the only one who can use it. Why go through the headache of harder, more stressful jobs for less reward?

The fact someone who doesn't even have the job unlocked can outroll someone who is on their main the completely ridiculous.

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Ok, context is lost on a lot of people. I don't care about the change, I liked N>G, I don't care about all greed, and here is why: Just because some CAN outroll you if they don't have the job, doesn't mean they will. There is a weekly lockout remember, so people will go into the raid with a specific idea of what gear they want to get, people aren't just going to loot on everything because they can. I got my NIN piece this week as soon as it dropped, not because I got lucky with my rolls, but because I was the only person to roll on it, and on top of that, there were many pieces of gear that just simply dropped to the floor. Your only competition in 24man now are party members who are also seeking that particular piece that you are needing (and they could very well need it more than you if they aren't running the raid as it).

Having said that, they should definately bring N>G back to the older 24man dungeons because there is no weekly restriction (or at least rabanastre as a start).

I don't care about it being 'all greed'... 24man raids are just for glamour, and quite frankly Rabanastre has had very underwhelming armor models thus far.