please consider ending the mentor system

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Originally Posted by Maero

they really should have added specific tasks per say

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Other than forcing mentors to get a teaching license, there's really not much more they can do. Anything more in-game would be redundant and besides the point because if the sprout is heading into Savage, either they know what I'm doing or they're beyond help in that content.

I still say they should remove the roulette from the Mentor status. People who want to mentor will still mentor, but anyone who just wants the mount won't tarnish the crown. And change the icon while we're at it. It'll solve so many problems.

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Originally Posted by PerrinTaveren

It comes to the mentors to explain things instead of just leaving imo.

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Can't explain anything when the keyboardless noob tank pulls instantly every time.

You are right. You misunderstood.

Mentors are there to help answer questions, give tips, and on occasion take over leadership role if run is falling apart. ( Give or take their are some slackers and trolls ), Our job as mentors is not to carry or baby sit lower level players. We have better things to do, that is what the beginners hall is for. If we leave is normally do to two reasons; First the run is not salvageable and second people don't listen and are constantly ignoring mechanics.

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Originally Posted by Luin

Let mentor system be like a novice could ping a random mentor that has volunteered themselves for the function; kind of like customer support. This prevents public embarrassment newer players often have when struggling with earlygame mechanics, keybinds, macros, or settings.

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I do agree there needs to be a better mentor to novice matchmaking system in place so the mentors that do want to help get matched with novices who do want help. Another game who's name escapes me did something along these lines. Experienced player would flag themselves by their own choice to be added to a help list. A new player could look through this list by their own choice and pick the experienced player of their choice to be mentor matched with.

The only real issue with the mentor system here is its a mixed bag on both sides of the fence. You have mentors that do want to help with as many that just wanted the crown as a status symbol. Just as on the other side with new players who do want help mixed in with the infamous "Its my sub not yours" and "Tooltips? I don't read those! Reading is hard!" and "How dare you try and help me! Do you think your special or something?" type of players that have probably burned out a fair share of the mentors that do want to help. Neither side knows what they're going to get until its too late.

Mentor Roulette is just that, its just a roulette to help que times. It's still a mixed bag on who you get paired with.
Novice Network is just another chat channel. It's still a mixed bag depending on who is and who isn't in it at the time.

I think honestly that there are alot of good mentors they just get lumped in with the bad ones. like the healer mentors who facepull and mess up the new tank and dont say anything they just keep doing it.... or the mentors that act like they know everything...hey just because you hit 70 on a class and job doesn't mean you know that job it just means you hit that level.. and trust me this is possible. I'm a darn good whm but an average tank but i do practice to get better.

These bad mentors dont even try for that. they just troll.

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Originally Posted by PerrinTaveren

You said people are ignorant for asking the system to be removed. Then you explained how ignorant they are by giving an example, then you said you'd save time by just leaving. I thought they are related, i am sorry if i misunderstood. Not here for arguing, just thinking if someone is complaining, there is usually an error in both sides. They need to learn to listen if a mentor giving them advice, and mentors need to be respectful and kind and explain what they can do. I really doubt people queueing ex primals in df knows what pf is tbh. It comes to the mentors to explain things instead of just leaving imo.

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Let me explain a bit more what they most likely mean.

First off ignorant means : lacking knowledge or awareness in general; uneducated or unsophisticated
So saying someone wants the mentor chat removed because of such things is fitting, if you explained how you did not know this or that because it is your first MMO. Wouldn't you agree such a term fits your situation? esp when it leads to the second part:
"while the noob tank runs in and instant pulls again when they restart and without reading a mentors wall-of-text."
So what they are getting at, people really have no right to complain on the mentor system when the person does not know what to do, wipes, then pulls again before anyone can say anything. This is where the idea starts "If the person is not going to bother listening, then best to abandon"

Once I entered moogle extreme by mistake and it popped. (new player message) and I believe the mentor was trying to explain what to do as people watched cs/ loaded in. Before the "noob insta pull" she said something on the lines of "tanks need to tank swamp here, it will wipe if you do not do that. Do you know how to tank swamp and what that means?" (this was asked just before the noob insta pull) Even with that she did try to explain tank swamping idea during the CS duration. She wanted to make sure the new person understood what she was talking about.

The insta pull noob tank does not answer and pulls, also does not bother to try tank swamp at all even though the mentor one was requesting for it during the fight and noticed noob tank not moving. Ofc it was a wipe and she started to question why the noob tank felt the need to insta pull if they did not understand the mentor tank. The noob tank resorted to this:
http://i.imgur.com/fAUOr2c.png
Then everyone just left after.

I don't know how mentors are on your server but on mine they're pretty nice and helpful.

I'm a mentor but I don't wear my crown unless I actually feel like actively helping sprouts. A lot of people just run around with the crown because it looks cool........

Some people are rude? Some people are not qualified for the title they hold? Some people make mistakes?

Welcome to life.

The mentor system is very very flawed. It's far too easy to become a mentor. I have met some truly awful players with the mentor tag. Literally anyone can get it.