What does it take to be considered a 'good' player?

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Originally Posted by SenorPatty

To add to that, if you can't be nice, at leats be neutral. No one asking to sprinkle sugar or salt, just say what you need say.

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Yes! I had started typing something to this effect, then removed it and forgot to put it back :(

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Originally Posted by HoodRat

Like I said earlier, that's just not the case. Most people don't seem to want help and, regardless of how it's delivered, will not react appropriately.

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Most likely they fall in category, unsolicited advice is unwelcome advice.

-Understand your job and role and other jobs and their roles
-Be mindful about how mechanics and how the game works
-Be open to critisicm and advice, dont lash out or act like you know better than everyone else. You don't.
-Be a team player, be mindful of the people playing around you good or bad.
-Have patience
-Know your job rotation
- Be willing to try new things, dont stick to just one way of doing things ( Depending on the content )

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Originally Posted by AxlStream

So you think that people giving advice by saying "have fun", "just don't be negative" etc etc are actually giving good advice for improving as a player? To each their own but you don't kill bosses with fun and positivity.

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Oddly enough typically I've seen in 24 man raids after a few boss wipes the people who were dishing out the negativity and insults leave and we clear the boss that people were having trouble with on the very next pull.

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Originally Posted by SerLuke

Oddly enough typically I've seen in 24 man raids after a few boss wipes the people who were dishing out the negativity and insults leave and we clear the boss that people were having trouble with on the very next pull.

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THIS - So True.....happy adventurers seem to do a better job. Go Figure.

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Originally Posted by SerLuke

Oddly enough typically I've seen in 24 man raids after a few boss wipes the people who were dishing out the negativity and insults leave and we clear the boss that people were having trouble with on the very next pull.

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I also find in those situations, that 9/10 it's a "mentor" who leaves and everything goes perfectly fine after. And some people wonder why my mentor crown doesn't appear unless I run the mentor roulette.

1. do a lot of DPS, no matter what job you are on.
2. Don't die to mechanics more than once or twice, when you are learning.
3. Use all of your party enhancing role options at the right time.
4. Know the opener for your class and use it effectively
5. have bis possible gear, melded efficiently. Use food and potions.
6. Stay till the end in whatever you do, but leave a PUG if its apparent its hopeless early on.
7. If in a static, show up on time, shut up and listen to your boss.
8. don't vent about anything, keep it to yourself unless its objective and done nicely.


"Being nice" in general doesn't matter much, apart from 7-8.

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Originally Posted by Squigley

Step 1: Be a Lalafell
Step 2: Bite some ankles
Step 3: ???
Step 4: You win the game!

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Step 1: check
Step 2: I'll do that.
Step 3: check
Step 4: Really? I must go bite some ankles when online.

How would I define good in this case?

Decent APM, solid awareness, consistent, alert, pulls decent numbers and isn't hard work to raid alongside.

Being a good player has absolutely nothing to do with being a nice or helpful player, they are two completely independent things IMHO.

Purple logs. If you can do that, you're good.