a simple request

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Originally Posted by Savagelf

sometime advice can useful sometime it isn't for example take summoner.

summoner is has two ruins one cost more mana to use and better use while on dreadwyrem trance to use when it not pratical.

machinist and bard are single target range dps.

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Okay I'm heaving those things because I'm about to debunk it like you hate it so much.

Summoner lost Ruin 1. We have Ruin 3, and it costs the same as ruin did ALL THE TIME now. Plus they have a spammable aoe in dreadwyrm now so that's nice.

Machinist has a spammable aoe attack, a turret that does damage at no cost aoe, and a hard hitting aoe cooldown. Bard has a spammable aoe, with rain of death, and resets. They also feed the other dps crit to help boost their dps.

So are you upset actually that you were asked to use Bishop instead of Rook to aoe? Is that why this thread was made?

I not, just think if yoshi P set up dungeon where you gather all you the mobs together and made so that by doing this it wipe entire party every time. humorous for him and his devs team but not for you. picture him threat make all the dungeons like this.

ruin 3 cost more then ruin 2 does ruin 3 has longer cast time.

mass pulls make harder on damger dealers first off. when i tanking i tried avoid doing these because I like be easy on everyone not just me. being a tank the focus in on you in group there no I in team also they nor tank in team when tank isn't will realize his relationship is focus work with group and function as symbioses relationship what benefit one benefit the others in group what work for group work for the tank.

the term troll isn't what you want it to be

a troll isn't someone that offend you. or someone said something you don't like that not troll. troll are folks that said with planned to set people off. nether is my goal nor my plan i play ffxiv the was i like. see if I could define you as a troll because what your say could offend me. but it doesn't it difference of a opinion and your free to speak it.

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Originally Posted by Savagelf

I not, just think if yoshi P set up dungeon where you gather all you the mobs together and made so that by doing this it wipe entire party every time. humorous for him and his devs team but not for you. picture him threat make all the dungeons like this.

ruin 3 cost more then ruin 2 does ruin 3 has longer cast time.

mass pulls make harder on damger dealers first off. when i tanking i tried avoid doing these because I like be easy on everyone not just me. being a tank the focus in on you in group there no I in team also they nor tank in team when tank isn't will realize his relationship is focus work with group and function as symbioses relationship what benefit one benefit the others in group what work for group work for the tank.

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What are you even talking about at this point?
You've started with complaining how someone gave you advice on samurai and flipped out over that and now you're trying to convince us that... I'm unsure - that advice should only be given to certain classes? :confused:

(Also... someone coverd the summoner-part already, but let me just say: neither bard nor maschinst are "single target ranged" - both have suitable AoE and they're perfectly fine with dps on masspulls)

As a maintank I'd also like to comment, that yes, it is indeed important to keep an eye out on wether or not a group can handle masspulls. Wether or not!
Just making it standard to go slow and to pull only one group at a time, isnt a good solution either - each tank can hold aggro on 10 mobs as easy as on 3. No reason not to masspull if your group can handle it - your post sounds a lot like as if you're flat out refusing to do masspulls.

However if this last segment was somehow related to that paladin who tried to be helpful (aka: he masspulled and your group wiped because you didnt contribute enough dps), let me just say: If someone whos got their job at level 70 doesnt know how to play it and how to handle single target vs. masspulls, I have little understanding for them.

By now my best guess is that you didnt use your AoEs while the paladin tried to do big pulls, so they asked you to use your AoE...

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Originally Posted by Savagelf

a troll isn't someone that offend you. or someone said something you don't like that not troll. troll are folks that said with planned to set people off. nether is my goal nor my plan i play ffxiv the was i like. see if I could define you as a troll because what your say could offend me. but it doesn't it difference of a opinion and your free to speak it.

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While I dont believe you're trolling here, you can easly come off as one - even by your own definition. You might not have noticed it, but you've touched on a somewhat sensitive subject with your whole "Dont give advice" - "Let me play how I want!" - "Its my sub, not yours!" - "I'm only here for fun!"-subject, because this attitude is something thats pissing people off. And for good reasons - its rude and selfish to behave this way in any form of group-content.
So a troll could easly figure "Hey, if I want to trigger some people, a post like this will do!"

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troll
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noun: troll; plural noun: trolls
1.
a person who makes a deliberately offensive or provocative online post.
informal
a deliberately offensive or provocative online posting.

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This was probably already obvious, but I see some people writing essays and hosting town hall debates with OP so just wanted to make sure this knowledge was out there.

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Originally Posted by Savagelf

machinist and bard are single target range dps.

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Uhm. Wut.

No, BRD/MCH are ranged physical DPS that have single-target AND AOE skills (potent AOE skills, mind you—Rain of Death is already better than Bloodletter on 2+ mobs), and said AOE skills need to be used when there are large groups of mobs (generally 3+). BRD’s Rain of Death is 100 potency per mob; Bloodletter is 130. Therefore, Rain of Death—which costs zero TP and resets with critical DoT ticks while in Mage’s Ballad—is the better option at 2 or more mobs.

ALL DPS are DPS with potent AOE skill that should ALWAYS be used when a threshold is reached of the number of mobs in a pull.

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while paladin and dark knight and as warriors are convince that they desire grabs as many mobs as possible this concept isn't away work for most dps who don't have many mass dps moves.

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Every job has an AOE skill by the time they hit level 30; by the time they hit 70, there are usually more available. And AOEs are more potent the more mobs they hit, beating out single-target combos by far after you hit 3+ mobs (5+ for MNK’s Arm of the Destroyer).

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summoner and black mage have single target damage spells.

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Both also have AOE spells—Deathflare is an AOE; Fire II and Flare are AOEs. I’ve seen both top 12k DPS in large dungeon pulls from AOEing—you don’t see those kind of numbers with single-target damage; no where close.

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the tanks spend they time and desire want everyone mass dps everything down most damage dealing jobs don't have mass dps moves so instead help they damage dealer counter-part they make worst on them.

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Again, every job has at least 1 AOE by level 30, more by the time they hit level 70.

BRD, specifically, benefits immensely from multi-dotting mobs (always has, ever since ARR with the River of Blood trait), and spamming Rain of Death procs and Quick Nock (again, something that has ALWAYS been the case). SMN (and SCH) both have a skill called Bane, which even after the SB nerf it took, is used to spread their DoTs to multiple targets for more damage.

EDIT because Daily Limit is arbitrary:

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Originally Posted by Savagelf

I use AOE but i careful use them when it best to use them as tank i tried not mass pull unless i feel the healer can handle it. I not tried be jerk i just have difference opinion. thank Shihen for diffination. i do use rain of death, I use thing when it not on cool down. I really am not bad player with my characters. I in fact remove bloodletter for my quick bar.

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Also a bad choice—you use Bloodletter for one mob/enemy/boss, Rain of Death for 2 or more mobs.

I use AOE but i careful use them when it best to use them as tank i tried not mass pull unless i feel the healer can handle it. I not tried be jerk i just have difference opinion. thank Shihen for diffination. i do use rain of death, I use thing when it not on cool down. I really am not bad player with my characters. I in fact remove bloodletter for my quick bar.

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Originally Posted by Vidu

What are you even talking about at this point?

While I dont believe you're trolling here, you can easly come off as one - even by your own definition. You might not have noticed it, but you've touched on a somewhat sensitive subject with your whole "Dont give advice" - "Let me play how I want!" - "Its my sub, not yours!" - "I'm only here for fun!"-subject, because this attitude is something thats pissing people off. And for good reasons - its rude and selfish to behave this way in any form of group-content.

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I just want to quote this part to stress it and I'd give you more than one Like if I could. You managed to articulate everything I was thinking while reading his last few posts.

The only thing I'll add is that I love AoE pulls on my BRD and at this point in the game there is not a single job (even including healers!) that does not have at least some form of decent AoE dps. Actively choosing not to utilize your skills makes you a drain on your group and it was absolutely not out of line for them to advise you to do something differently. I will admit there is some grey area here if they were rude or condescending, but offering advice to a player who is struggling (and by extension, making the group struggle) is not inherently bad!

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Some posts got in before I finished mine, I see, and reading this now-

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Originally Posted by Savagelf

I in fact remove bloodletter for my quick bar.

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I'm pretty certain we've been had. This guy has to be jerking us around intentionally.

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Originally Posted by Savagelf

I use AOE but i careful use them when it best to use them as tank i tried not mass pull unless i feel the healer can handle it. I not tried be jerk i just have difference opinion. thank Shihen for diffination. i do use rain of death, I use thing when it not on cool down. I really am not bad player with my characters. I in fact remove bloodletter for my quick bar.

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...what? Why would you remove bloodletter from your hotbar when its clearly the better option on single targets? Put it back, use it during boss-fights or if you only have a single target...

No class is only AoE or only single target - that would be bad design. You need to learn to read the situation at hand and act accordingly to that - everything else will make you less than a good player, sorry. Blindly using things when they're not on cooldown isnt playing good either. You seem to not understand certain basics of certain classes - thats alright, as long as you're willing to learn. Either by taking advice or by yourself - before you enter group-content with said class.
Also: Somethings are either wrong or right, they dont require an opinion that you can differ from.
"Bard is single target dps" isnt an opinion, its just a wrong statment

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Originally Posted by HyoMinPark

Also a bad choice—you use Bloodletter for one mob/enemy/boss, Rain of Death for 2 or more mobs.

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Careful he'll cry you're harassing him because he uses a lesser damaging attack and get you removed from the forums.

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Originally Posted by Savagelf

most damage dealing jobs don't have mass dps moves

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There is not a single DPS job in the entire game that doesn't have good AoE damage. Some may be better equip over long durations, but all are capable. Perhaps instead of whining over people giving advice, you should listen because you clearly have no idea what you're even talking about.