Which healer job are you? Why?

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Originally Posted by Guffs

Humorous-ish, I suppose.

For heavy healing I don't dispute you need a dedicated healer, but for snap heals and rezzes you're better off with an RDM. You lose less dps if the heal concentrates on that. I argue (based on the math) that healing a RDM for much less than them looking like they stepped in a tankbuster is a wasted effort on lvl 65+ content, and I've kept well played tanks up several times when n00b (or possibly stoopid) healers have decided to return to the start of the instance instead of taking the rez.

When I WHM, I rarely heal RDM's; they need to learn to play their role correctly.

tl;dr I play RDM with heal in mind, and if the heal concentrates on dps we do more damage overall.

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Unlike RDM, all of the healers have tools to mitigate or satisfy healing requirements while still being able to focus on DPS (barriers, oGCD heals, ticking HoTs...); when RDM stops to heal, they are losing a GCD for a heal that doesn't come close to matching what a dedicated healer can put out in that same GCD. RDMs also aren't actually healing any faster than a healer; Dual Cast still trips the GCD and is useful only in that it front-loads the heal and is a movement tool. Basically, RDM healing is mathematically inefficient compared to that of actual healers.

Backseat healing is also problematic in that, in the majority of cases, the RDM is attempting to be helpful while the actual healer already has it covered. Ends up being a redundant action that wastes the time of two party members.

In a nutshell, RDM should only be healing if there is a shortage of output from the actual healer(s) due to death or outright neglect or if they are popping Vercure to load a Dual Cast during a boss-untargetable transition.

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Originally Posted by Guffs

Humorous-ish, I suppose.

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tl;dr I play RDM with heal in mind, and if the heal concentrates on dps we do more damage overall.

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I have absolutely no support for a healer returning instead of taking a raise unless it's very close to the end of the boss and they just want to avoid the debuff. It doesn't seem like that's what you're referencing but if that is the case I wouod imagine that's why your raise is being ignored.


That aside... no? I mean, to put it simply, no. I don't mean to be rude but this is just not true. I won't go over all the ways that a healer might be taking care of incoming damage because that would be a lengthy post and we are all (mostly) healers here so we should understand.

Your main is listed as WHM. On WHM your options include letting your Hots tick (the thing I see RDM Vercure from most often), Tetra, Bene, Assize, using DB to mitigate while Hots heal and at the end of the day there is always a Swiftcasted Cure/II if it's needed. None of those are immediately apparent (in the same way that a cast bar is, you could see the regens if you're looking at the party list I suppose) and all could result in a ton of overheal if a RDM is popping Vercures.

Don't misunderstand me, I have had plenty of experience playing with RDM's. I ran a ton of dungeons and roulettes with Tridus specifically on RDM during the leveling process. There were times those Vercures got us out of a bad situation. I would never advocate against the importance of healer DPS, nor would I discourage a DPS class from using their supoort abilities to help their party. This mindset is not the same as expecting a RDM to Vercure basic damage though.

A WHM using HoTs and oGCD heals (so playing efficently) doesn't lose much damage while healing. We don't have a ton of weaving potential so we aren't trying to stack Fleche and stuff in between our rock throwing. A RDM casting Vercure is not only not doing damage (their primary role) but is also not properly generating mana for their melee combo which is where the majority of their damage comes from in the first place.

I guess at the end of the day everyone is going to play how they want and that's cool but to try to sell RDM healing spot damage (even on themselves) as more DPS efficent than having a healer do it is just not okay.

Edit: I wrote this earlier and it never fullt posted, I see now Cynfael covered most of this, my bad buddy.

Red Mages dont heal they supplement. They are catalysts to the healers. It's a raid dps gain for a RDM to get the raise ONLY when swiftcast is down for the healers. After they sit on the ground for 3 seconds, if they aren't raised, you should raise them. If mechanics/Healing constraints are coming up, like Fire IIIs/Almagests, VERRAISE. Mana shift the healers, when bards aren't enough to keep them healthy. Mana shift the bard if the healers are fine.

Vercure. It is a very powerful skill, but not just for its healing potency. You use Vercure during times of down time, like stacking for the decisive battle, while exdeath is untargetabble, then after stack marker resolves to heal yourself up. Then, vercuring the dps target of flare to ease the pressure off the healers, and proc your dual cast to deal with the next mech. Vercure yourself while neo is untargetabble during Grand cross Omega. Keeping your GCDs useful and contributing to the health of the raid.

There are times when you can "save" someone, with vercure, like a dps that started lower than the rest during almagest and the healers are aoe healing or to save the mt during Exdeaths white hole.... but vercure is just utility. It's not part of your direct role.

It's something you bring to the table for flavor and quirky DPS utility. We are not healers, we are STRONG recovery support, entwined with the successes and failures of the healers.

Started as SCH because I really started as SMN and wanted better queues. One too many double SCH parties and I leveled WHM. Now I can't go back, I enjoy the raw healing power too much.

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Originally Posted by Guffs

RDM

Used to main WHM but, as you can probably see from the picture I uploaded of the two classes side by side, RDM is a much more powerful and responsive healer.

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I cry everytime some silly little RDM casts Vercure instead of attacking the boss.
But then not cast Verraise when people die.

This is why you can't give DPS nice things.

White Mage is my preferred, for Holy, Assize, Asylum and the big heals, then Scholar for Adloqium, Succor, Miasma 2 and the “Star Trek” globe :)

P.s my main is Black Mage which I started with, but then fancied doing something other than dps, so chose healing as it felt like a challenge, and it was, as well as very satisfying :)

2.1 to 3.2 I have been a Whm mostly.

3.2-3.5 I actually branched out to other jobs due to balancing and wanting to learn other jobs..

4.0 EA i went back to Whm just to level retainers and comfort but I don't specifically have a main anymore I just drift between jobs.

The Healing role itself is balanced however the jobs don't feel unique at all. All my first clears are done on a Whm due to comfort, I rather farm content on a Blm or Bard when I want to have fun.

I envy all the Healers who are having fun playing said Healer. Sadly I no longer find the same enjoyment in the role.

I played WHM 1-70, but I have to say I am seriously considering swapping to SCH.

SCH has stronger healing numbers than WHM over an extended fight (Any trial/raid).
SCH has strong shields than AST (Makes sense though)
Most SCH heals can be cast while moving (Lustrate, Excog, Indom) and they have a little faerie helper for a boosted 250 potency heal every 3 seconds.

I unfortunately don't see reason to include WHM in a raid group anymore. Regens are taken care of by AST who flat out outheals WHM and has raid utility.
For dungeons, however... I would prefer WHM since they have the biggest burst healing of the lot.

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Originally Posted by Xidia

I unfortunately don't see reason to include WHM in a raid group anymore. Regens are taken care of by AST who flat out outheals WHM and has raid utility.

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I don't think you can say AST outheals WHM outright. WHM has better burst healing (as you said) and better sustainability. An AST will run out of MP long before their WHM counterpart and while AST has Earthly Star WHM has Cure III which can be cast multiple times.

In the end all the healers have their place but if one healer outheals the others it is certainly WHM. They lack literally any utility and if you would like to exclude them based on that you do you but to say they don't have the strongest healing toolkit is just wrong.

Scholar because I like the idea of preventative heals and shields. Also having the fairy pet help when you're dodging or something is nice.