Kicked for not using Goad

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Originally Posted by Awha

So you are saying people dislike getting kicked because it is a waste of time spent inside the dungeon[...]

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Yes, I understand all of this. I'm an advocate of using the vote dismiss function when the need warrants it. I was answering your specific inquiry as to why the kicked people might feel the way they do. How the rest of the group may feel and their reasoning for initiating the kick is entirely independent from how the kicked person feels. In no way am I saying groups can't or shouldn't be able to decide what constitutes a valid reason on their own (though according to SE, there is such thing as abuse of the system, so the line is drawn somewhere). Majority does rule, but that doesn't mean you don't reserve the right to be upset if the group rules against you.

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Originally Posted by ElHeggunte

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The party that initiated and were successful with the vote kick more then likely really do not care how it may effect the person that was removed, for all we know they may even be joking about while they progress with the content.

Here we have someone that was removed trying to downplay the actions of the group because their mindsets did not align. Just seems like a huge waste of time, I get seeking validation helps ease the sting of defeat, but as someone else said before fairly certain the OP runs goad now, so while the OP rant did not amount to much, the vote kick got the OP to remember goad. The removal accomplished something. Can the say be said for getting annoyed about being removed from a group?

Hell I here on a phone responding to a forum post during homeroom so I am also wasting my time, so that was just my two cents.

i've never even been in a group where someone even needed goad, much less asking/requiring it...

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Originally Posted by HarassMe

i've never even been in a group where someone even needed goad, much less asking/requiring it...

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My condolences.

In expert roulette I always need goad because I have to spam aoes to down the wall to wall while dealing with aoe dropoff... unfortunately 90% of the time I'm paired with a caster so no goad for me...

I've mained as a Ninja and Monk for the longest time and have never once had to use goad. Hell I took it off my skill bar after a year because I never had need for it.

I just think there's a lot of dickhead tanks in this game. I just started playing dps classes the last few weeks and most tanks suck flat out and don't understand what tanking is, how to sustain themselves, or how to manage their own resources. And when things don't go their way they blame everyone else and start kicking. When I tank I pace myself and every run is smooth, without incident and relaxed. When I'm healing or playing dps I noticed most tanks want to try to pull half the dungeon on top of them and when they die they blame the healer or the dps for not burning fast enough. To be fair I've met alot of really nice, friendly relaxed players that I enjoy playing with, but when the assholes come out it leads me to blacklist them and hope I never bump into them again.

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Originally Posted by Awha

If someone get annoyed about being kicked because they feel the reason is arbitrary, who are we to dictate what a valid reason is to kick someone? No matter the intent fact of the matter is majority rules, you need a majority to pass a vote getting annoyed or upset because the group did not align with you and felt the vote was valid no matter the reason just seems silly to me. When you get into the realm of wanting to police vote kick it would only cause more issues overall, probably would result in a more toxic run.

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thats not true at all. people instinctual follow others, and when they vote their not thinking for themselves, their just following the lead of the one that started the vote. Unless the person is afk trying to get a free ride I think it's asinine to kick in a 4 man, it's not that deep and if the other 3 cant keep the group together they should re-evaluate their own play-styles or stop pugging.

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Originally Posted by ElHeggunte

I don't understand how Invigorate isn't more than enough to keep you going unless you're doing big pulls and then failing to down them in a timely manner.

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This happens way more often then not for me. I do my Exs on DRG or SAM, and I'm always running dry on TP even when Invig is on CD

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Originally Posted by Lowanthal

thats not true at all. people instinctual follow others, and when they vote their not thinking for themselves, their just following the lead of the one that started the vote. Unless the person is afk trying to get a free ride I think it's asinine to kick in a 4 man, it's not that deep and if the other 3 cant keep the group together they should re-evaluate their own play-styles or stop pugging.

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Just say you don't like being kicked and go, no need to make things up to try and prove a point.