Please do not nerf Astrologian instead buff WHM/SCH

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Originally Posted by Kabzy

AST has the strongest heals considering the sect bonuses (only loses to Medica II afaik), strongest utility and ridiculously OP shields. They only lose out in personal DPS slightly, and they more than make up for it in every other way.

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I have personally played AST for quite a while, even with what you CALL op shields, they are not op in the slighest, the Aspected Benefic spell costs alot of MP that ifyou abuse it, you run out of mp real quick, it is my preferred Healing class, I know it inside and out and it is anything BUT op, and the cards are incredibly random. Clearly SE thought the class needed improvements this expansion, they didnt overtune it, they gave it what it needed. For crying out loud I used to never use Nocturnal Sect because the shields from it were so useless, now I can effectively use both Diurnal and Nocturnal cause Noct doesnt suck like it used to.

Also furthermore, the Sects does not make AST a better healer then the other two...not by a long shot. Even with the Regen effect from Diurnal, it is not at all as good as what WHM has with Medica II and Regen cause A) Aspected Helios and Aspected Benefic both cost more MP then Medica II and Regen and B) I know that Medica II and Regen have higher potencies.

In short, guys...lay off of ASTs, they are not OP, they got something they really needed and I am not saying this cause I love AST, I know they are not op.

Addendum: I still play my WHM cause for one thing, it still has things it can do that AST CANNOT, for example WHMs better AoE healing over time and better Regen with less mana costs, and Benediction is a huge life saver. I am though a better AST then I am with my WHM and that is because of skill and not because of differences in class power.

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Originally Posted by Ootarion

the Aspected Benefic spell costs alot of MP that ifyou abuse it, you run out of mp real quick

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Looooooool

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Originally Posted by Kabzy

Looooooool

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Not sure why you are loling, I know I am not wrong about it :3

The spell does infact cost enough MP that if you abuse it, it hurts your MP. Yes yes, the Ewer card and Lucid Dreaming, but Ive learned to heal without having to pop those just to use another spell which means not making liberal use of Aspected Benefic.

And if loling is your best response, then you really have no counter argument, no rebuttle.

The only "nerf" Astro needs is for Balance to be reduced to 10% or removed entirely. Frankly, I am not a fan of any ability that flat out increases and attack power like that because it instantly because the only ability that matters. Astro, at the moment, revolves around how often you can draw Balance, which I feel ruins the otherwise unique card system mechanic.

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Originally Posted by Ootarion

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As someone who mained Astrologian since HW launch to the start of SB: I do not believe AST is OP, but the other two healer jobs do need at least a slight buff to be on par with Astrologian, particularly Scholar. White Mage not as much.

While Aspected Benefic costs more MP, you're not supposed to use it so often that you burn yourself out of MP. The shields from Noct Sect are the amount of HP recovered plus a percentage of that number tacked on (overall better than non crit Adloquiums in terms of shields, plus Noct shields are instant cast unlike adlo). As I've been leveling AST recently, I found using the shields to supplement my healing rather than spamming it was far more effective in both amount healed and MP management.

Cards are random, but as there are only six cards (not counting lord/lady since my AST is only 63 atm and haven't studied the mechanics of the two), the chances of getting cards you want (i.e. Balance) are 1/6, which really are not bad odds all things considered. Redrawing gives another 1/5 chance to get what you want, so there's nothing really to complain about how balanced the chances are of getting what you want. And on the topic of Balance, AST is the only job with the utility to give a party wide 10% damage boost, which can also be extended by several seconds via Celestial Opposition is insane. On top of that the other abilities AST has at it's disposal are arguably more effective than the other two healers (for example, if you are healing in Dirunal stance you can pop synergy, largesse(? divine seal), lightspeed for near instant casts and MP cost reduction, aspected helios, collective unconscious, aspected benefic (all regens on tank), and time dialation on the tank. Celestial opposition also adds more time to all of those. And if you pop lucid dreaming or have a ewer to recover some MP, CO extends the length of both and all buffs you applied to other party members.

Furthermore, as for diurnal sect; while the regen it provides is not as potent as regen itself from WHM, it provides an instant cure which regen does not. Aspected Helios isn't quite as good as Medica 2 in terms of potency, but as I recall the total potency for diurnal aspected benefic was higher than regen (could be wrong as I don't have the data in front of me, just going off of memory).

While I believe Astrologian is not overpowered and as the original post suggests: should not be nerfed. I also believe that it is in a better much position than both other healing jobs in terms of utility. AST's shields are objectively better than SCH's since it doesn't require a lucky crit to give bigger shields than amount healed on top of being instant cast. And while White Mage has better overall healing ability and MP management, AST's utility far exceeds that of both other jobs (granted some depends on luck).

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AST is objectively in a better position and WHM/SCH need buffs in some areas to bring them on par with AST.

Let Balance keep its potency but be single target only.

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Originally Posted by Rita1989

Let Balance keep its potency but be single target only.

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Single target balance is like %20, it used to be %10 on single target if I recall. I wouldn't be against reverting it (expanded royal road halves the effect of all the cards in exchange for AoE). Would be an overall DPS hit, but AST would still be desirable for the damage boost.

For some reason SE didn't believe it balanced enough though, so they gave it a boost when they balanced AST a couple patches ago.

Let's be realistic. If you nerf cards (particularly Balance since that's all anyone cares about), there will be no reason to care about AST. It'll be the hybrid class with no identity of its own, just like when it released but with less shitty healing. Are we forgetting that they specifically buffed cards because their effects were negligible (and even surpassed by Selene)? WHM is powerful but is lacking in some kind of unique utility beyond free-Holy dungeon spam. Scholar HAS unique qualities but was nerfed to hell and back in Stormblood.

Give WHM something unique for raids and buff Scholar. Then you'll have 3 at least moderately unique Healers with individual strengths.

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Originally Posted by File2ish

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For the most part I agree however a crit aspected benefic is still a base 250% shield, while the crit adlo is just a 200% (x2) so crit wise I want to say the aspected benefic would still be better. Have not tested so I cant back up this argument. The jobs should be brought up and not nerfed and any content should be balanced around that. The only thing i've seen from SE nerf n buff is a storm of bad and I dont trust them to bring things down and up in a proper manner.

I do know at lvl 60 my AST provides a better shield that my BiS 70 SCH without a crit.

AST needs to step back a bit.
I don't care if they keep their utility buffs, that's their thing. But by no means, should they be healing for the same numbers as a WHM, and even stronger than a SCH. It's so stupid.