New Racers for Final Fantasy XIV

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Originally Posted by lackofwords

Like I said in a few of my previous post, you're going to have to re-brand the race. This in sense can create mixed feelings for people who have experienced that race in another game in a completely different way and context. A similar feeling you get from "type-casted" actors appearing playing different roles that you are not accustomed to them playing.

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What also makes people have mixed feelings is to stray so far from the 'feel' of the entire series, alienating, and polarizing your fanbase, and completely ignoring fan requests(Tanaka). Keywords here, 'fan requested'. Also If you are going to try to return the installation to a stead and true ff series feel, stop trying to be so variably different from everything, even your own brand. This goes for the subject of races, and beyond.

These pics was posted a few years ago on ZAM. At one point FFXIV was codename project Rapture and here are the leaked screens.

Source: http://www.zam.com/story.html?story=12898

So yes I believe the dev team can do this and they should. Eorzea is only one of three small continents and we don't even know whats beyond the Empire, its fact no one can judge or rule that out. Just like new monster races and tribes can be added the same can be applied to player races in a sense.

edit: sure they're fake. but meh..

http://ffxi.allakhazam.com/images/ne...reenshot01.jpg

http://ffxi.allakhazam.com/images/ne...reenshot02.jpg

http://ffxi.allakhazam.com/images/ne...reenshot03.jpg

http://ffxi.allakhazam.com/images/ne...reenshot04.jpg

http://ffxi.allakhazam.com/images/ne...reenshot05.jpg

New race that are indigenous to the world of FF14? yes

Lolcopycat race pulled from previous FF games? {Thanks for the offer, but I'll have to pass.}


and please, using "fan request" as a justification for something that serves little purpose other than pure fan-service is weak. If the devs are gonna bow to every whims of every players, they might as well hand over the production of the game over to fanfic writers. Bring on the viera and bangaas, have the Espers shoot the shit with the Aeons out back, while the Kuluu and the Cetra argue over who's the better ancient race as the Occurians plots to take over the world, only to be stabbed by a horde of Tonberries that appeared out of nowhere.

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Originally Posted by Aenarion

New race that are indigenous to the world of FF14? yes

Lolcopycat race pulled from previous FF games? {Thanks for the offer, but I'll have to pass.}


and please, using "fan request" as a justification for something that serves little purpose other than pure fan-service is weak. If the devs are gonna bow to every whims of every players, they might as well hand over the production of the game over to fanfic writers. Bring on the viera and bangaas, have the Espers shoot the shit with the Aeons out back, while the Kuluu and the Cetra argue over who's the better ancient race as the Occurians plots to take over the world, only to be stabbed by a horde of Tonberries that appeared out of nowhere.

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but, you're playing a game with lolcopycat race pulled from a previous FF game....

We've digressed far from my original, and only point. It was a weak argument to say something doesn't belong in xiv because it appeared in an offline ff, and not an online ff. To justify why they could just copy pasta a galka and rename it a roe, and not do the same for Viera is pretty silly.

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Originally Posted by Andrien

These pics was posted a few years ago on ZAM. At one point FFXIV was codename project Rapture and here are the leaked screens.

Source: http://www.zam.com/story.html?story=12898

So yes I believe the dev team can do this and they should. Eorzea is only one of three small continents and we don't even know whats beyond the Empire, its fact no one can judge or rule that out. Just like new monster races and tribes can be added the same can be applied to player races in a sense.

edit: sure they're fake. but meh..

http://ffxi.allakhazam.com/images/ne...reenshot01.jpg

http://ffxi.allakhazam.com/images/ne...reenshot02.jpg

http://ffxi.allakhazam.com/images/ne...reenshot03.jpg

http://ffxi.allakhazam.com/images/ne...reenshot04.jpg

http://ffxi.allakhazam.com/images/ne...reenshot05.jpg

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WTB that game.

it was stated that yoshida will be adding all new original races.

Vieras are far far FAAAAAAAAAAAAR superior to the miqo'te and they always will be. However, as many have stated, they do not belong in this world. New races, however would be interesting. I don't think they should be added later on in the game, because people usually stick to one character their entire playthrough, so it'd be unfair to them. I dunno if SE has any plans for that in the future, but I doubt we'll see any new playable races. It'd be cool, however, to start in the Garlean empire, but that would give the game some terrible competitive vibe that WoW, TOR, and other games have and I'm not really looking for that.

Also I'm really not a fan of people wanting Square to shoehorn stuff from older FF games. Magiteck armor, jobs, etc. Whatever though.

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Originally Posted by Baxter

It was a weak argument to say something doesn't belong in xiv because it appeared in an offline ff, and not an online ff. To justify why they could just copy pasta a galka and rename it a roe, and not do the same for Viera is pretty silly.

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It's not a weak argument, as it is an explicitly stated design choice by SE. No matter how badly one wants to say that 11 and 14 are no more related than any other entries in FF, the fact is that SE doesn't see it that way.

There's nothing wrong with disagreeing with SE's decision to port FF11's race straight into FF14, but using that as justification for importing other completely unrelated race into FF14 for no other reason than "I can haz bunny girl!!!" is weak at best.

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Originally Posted by Baxter

Also If you are going to try to return the installation to a stead and true ff series feel, stop trying to be so variably different from everything, even your own brand. This goes for the subject of races, and beyond.

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What has been branding FF games, as I have mentioned before, are recurring creatures vehicles, characters, and names. Such as chocobos, moogles, slime, bombs, cactuar, airships, Cait Sith, Ifrit, and the name Cid. Granted these were not always in every single FF game, but more of a branding device for FF games rather than the races of Ivalice.

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Originally Posted by Baxter

We've digressed far from my original, and only point. It was a weak argument to say something doesn't belong in xiv because it appeared in an offline ff, and not an online ff. To justify why they could just copy pasta a galka and rename it a roe, and not do the same for Viera is pretty silly.

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Humanoid type of races (besides actual humans) aren't recurring themes throughout the FF series.

The reason races of FFXI were used was what I've quoted on Tanaka,
http://www.ffxivcore.com/topic/21505...aka-interview/

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DO: Did you keep the races similar to FFXI’s races to help FFXI players get used to the new world?

Tanaka: (...) We made the game with FFXI players in mind, so we wanted them to be able to play with the characters they knew and loved. (...)

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That's all, he wanted to draw the player base from FFXI into FFXIV. And it was a horrible decision in my opinion because it made players believe this would have been a sequel.

Additionally, it served no purpose in design to reuse these races in a new environment. The races for FFXI were crafted with the design of the nations, they were molded to fit the story and plot. Humes, elvaan, and tarus had a nation, mithras were mostly migrated over and formed communities within forest-like locations such as Windurst and Khazham, galka lost their homeland and reside with humes. They had culture and history relating in the development of their nation and beliefs. And when yanked out, and slapped into FFXIV they are nothing but another anonymous dude in game.

The races of Ivalice, however, only appears only in "Ivalice Universe" based FF games for a reason. They are all residing in the same world, they are part of the elements that creates the cultures and society of the world Ivalice. They exhibit the same behaviors and social standards. You also see the same characters such as Vaan, Balthier, and Fran making guest appearances in some of the FF spin off games. It flows in the same game timeline. It is all part of conscience design, and not just a mere gimmick to draw players in from another FF series. It is not branding for the entire FF series, it is to hold continuity for the Ivalice Universe.

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Originally Posted by lackofwords

I'm having trouble understanding what you mean by "It's not that they lack originality is the point?" Do you mean "It's not that, they lack originality is the point" or "It's not that they lack originality, is the point"?

However, the post above me already mentioned, Star Wars is a telling of the Star War's "Universe". Final Fantasy series has stories of various different universes that doesn't co-exist with each other.

Thus, you have to re-brand the race/culture, just like how they are re-branding all the races from FFXI. Their only reasoning given to doing so was for ease of transition between FFXI players who have become attached to their characters. However, they had no intent to keep the races' culture from FFXI. I can't imagine them wanting to re-brand races from other FF games to incorporate into FFXIV.

Don't mistake a continuity of universes throughout FF series because of recycling iconic creatures, monsters, vehicles, and names. Such as chocobos, bombs, airships, and the name Cid. Granted these were not always in every single FF game, but more of a branding device for FF games.

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That's not necessarily the case. We know that Spira is a planet where Shinra, an Al-bhed child's descendants learned how to travel through space to other planets. One planet we know they inhabited is the same one in FFVII, and so the story continues.
Who is to say that the universes that each world in Final Fantasy is in isn't actually one universe? If I recall correctly, in Dissidia Final Fantasy the warriors were never mentioned to come from different universes, but only from different worlds.
We just don't know.