[DEV Question] Why is this allowed?

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Originally Posted by JunseiKei

STR accessories to [melee] DoW, VIT to [tank] DoW, DEX to ['agile'] DoW, INT to [caster] DoM, and MND to [healer] DoM. This might be annoying to those spiritbonding (which I haven't seen done in eons currently), and may even limit options for glamour and PvP. It's worth it. The game isn't balanced around PvP nor how pretty you look.

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I strongly disagree. Throwing the ability to customise our builds in PVP (and to a lesser extent in very specific PVE/glamour situations) aside just to cater to a handful of people playing with the wrong accessories feels like a bad trade. How often does it happen? I've never noticed anyone doing it whereas I've used the 'wrong' accessories for perfectly legitimate, non-ilvl-cheating reasons numerous times. Though most content is so easy that I genuinely wouldn't notice someone being carried (a separate issue...)

I see it a different way if you're able too clear it at a decent pace still with a blm using that weapon and have decent gear it shows to me dungeon are really just that simple. It would have been more fun to see if a healer was doing this however, but if blm was using 230+ maybe shave off a couple minutes.

Hi people, sorry but my computer seems broken and my eyes too, I'm sure I was reading of a topic about someone complaining he was able to end a duty.

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Originally Posted by LalaRu

Hi people, sorry but my computer seems broken and my eyes too, I'm sure I was reading of a topic about someone complaining he was able to end a duty.

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No your PC and your eyes are broken, might want to get that stuff checked out yikes.

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Originally Posted by Serilda

I strongly disagree. Throwing the ability to customise our builds in PVP (and to a lesser extent in very specific PVE/glamour situations) aside just to cater to a handful of people playing with the wrong accessories feels like a bad trade. How often does it happen? I've never noticed anyone doing it whereas I've used the 'wrong' accessories for perfectly legitimate, non-ilvl-cheating reasons numerous times. Though most content is so easy that I genuinely wouldn't notice someone being carried (a separate issue...)

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Unfortunately, there's nothing stopping other players from facilitating artificial item level bloating. You either have players check and kick (which creates other issues) or implement something like this to enforce it.

I'm also not just thinking about queuing into dungeons. I know of so many [actual good] players purposely equip wrong accessories to get around a PF's ilevel restriction to bring in a certain class. (Might main ninja, but there's already a ninja and doesn't want to deal with coordinating trick or other things, had decent gear on a dragoon and can play dragoon, but not up to the ilevel). Most people will not check players (or calculate their ilevel) once they are actually in the party and have reverted back to correct gear. The issue starts when you have not-so-great players using this same trick and it snowballs when wipes start happening because multiple people start doing it. Now you just end up with a bunch of wasted time. Time in PF (or queuing), time it took to get to said trouble spots, multiple wipes (usually- very few are just single time hiccups), removal of players and disbands. Many people that do this do it to scrape by, hopefully unnoticed.

This all very much falls back into a lack of respect for everyone's time and many people that scrape by simply don't care in the first place.

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Originally Posted by LalaRu

Hi people, sorry but my computer seems broken and my eyes too, I'm sure I was reading of a topic about someone complaining he was able to end a duty.

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If it had been a tank or healer, the run would not have been successful. That is the problem.

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Originally Posted by Miste

Just an FYI if a tank did what this BLM did, he would be completely unable to do his main role of holding hate.

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ACTUALLY.... I did this accidentally while I was working on my Bravura Novus last year. A dps pulled after I ready checked but before I swapped my weapon out. I was still able to take Sophia back and hold hate the entire fight. So, it's possible for a competent and otherwise well geared tank to hold threat.

Is it optimal and should it be done? Absolutely not. But it is possible.

It requires AVERAGE ilvl not actual. And at the end of the day who cares that is the easiest of the Alex runs let the guy have his fun. As long as it did not hinder your enjoyment or cause a wipe let them be.

I wasn't aware that cleared and carried were one in the same. o:

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Originally Posted by Callinon

The problem with changing from an average item level to some kind of weighted system or requiring a certain ilvl weapon to participate in content is: what limit do you set? Who gets to choose?You could say that SE gets to choose, but SE chose this and you're not satisfied. There was another thread a few weeks ago where someone was saying that an i230 weapon should be required to queue for expert roulettes. I'm sure if you asked 20 different people what the requirements should be for something like this, you'd end up with 20 different and mutually-exclusive answers.

Fact of the matter is this was probably just an absentminded mistake by the player in question and not something they were doing maliciously. You also cleared the fight so it couldn't have had THAT much of an impact on you. Had you wiped due to failing a dps check, someone might have pointed this out to the guy, he'd say "woops, my bad" and fix it because he probably just didn't realize what he was doing there.

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It should be a weighed system for figuring out the true average. If SE says you need 230 to enter something you NEED 230+ weapon. The people that decide the weighs are the same people that give a min entry to begin with.