With the launch of Stormblood

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Originally Posted by Fernosaur

I'm not sure if someone mentioned it already, but seeing DPS roles as "just DPS" isn't super accurate, since DPS are classified into melee, ranged, and then the ranged are divided into physical and caster. There hasn't been a melee or caster DPS class since ARR, so I really don't see why it's bad that we're getting one of each of those. Maybe we'll see 1 tank, 1 healer and one physical ranged again with the next expansion.

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I hadn't even thought about the dps sub-archetypes, or even realized that a melee and caster weren't added in HW. Hopefully I'm somewhere in the ballpark with my speculation about the devs adding more classes in later 4.x patches and, now I'm really getting delusional with my wishful thinking, they'll really swing for the fences and put in a new physical ranged earlier than 5.0. That's really hoping for a miracle though and I would rather them put in a new tank and/or healer first if they do add a new mid-expansion job or jobs and keep it to just one or two. I'm very slowly dabbling in tanking myself; even got my drk to 60 so I can tank if needed in map parties and for looking dope in endgame glamour in Idylshire lol, so I hope they show you guys some love with the retooled skills and a possible new job. I'm pulling for healers to get some good tweaks and a new job if possible to because someone has to raise me when I'm sleepwalking through my roulettes and weeklies lol.

Well... it also means they won't have to try and balance some new tank Job around the three we already have, so hopefully it means the tanks will be in a better place balance wise once we all hit 70 and have our new "completed" toolkits in Stormblood.

Many people like to bring up many of the mechanical aspects, however i feel the long game is being overlooked. Simply put Samurai was and is still possibly the most requested, contested FF jobs since 1.0. When Dark Knight was announced as a Tank i myself was dismayed, not only did it destroy my small group static, it also forced me out of the melee DPS role. Tanking is difficult to learn, and stressful always.

"Dose this group want to speed run? Can they handle it? It's my first time here, how do set the pace of this dungeon? Do i eat the AOE's or sacrifice the DPS positional set up? What defensive cool down is best in this situation?" Each question easy enough to answer, less so all at once, more so should you be in role you your only barely learning.

With all the headaches why bother trying when you can leave all leadership role to someone else? Here we see an issue, what can the developer do to incentivise people to take up the mantel besides a bonus of pocket change in gill? When it came Dark Knight forced people who wanted it to try some thing different, some stayed (myself being one of them), the point being the gamble worked for the first few weeks if not months the Tank role was not the adventurer in need. Part of the reason for this, is the fact Dark Knight is and was a very popular job, it had the pull to bring people to the role. It fits the current meta of DPS centric thought, but dose it really edge out Warrior? Dose it completely blow away the defense wall that is Paladin? Of course not, it has a popular theme, and brought people to it in droves.

Samurai had that potential, nothing can pull in the numbers SAM could have. Nothing i can think will. Blue Mage (Dual Swords), Templar (Spear and Shield), Soldier (Gun Blade) are the best i can come up with and even then, unless Soldiers AF is Sephiroth's / Kirito's b@$#@^d fan fic love child (you know cause people are so original) i don't see it comparing in any way shape or form.

Many have said glamour is the true end game, that can be construed as to meaning the thematic look is important. An entire subset of people now do not have that Eastern themed Tank as all Eastern jobs currently are DPS. As it stands i do not want this iteration of Samurai to be a Tank. Better it be renamed to Ronin (what it actually is) and we get as appropriate Sengoku era Samurai rather than this post Edo knockoff.

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Originally Posted by XoanGrahm

Maybe its time for all tank mains, to just.. not queue up for anything without a full pre-made of friends or FC members. Let the DPS wait in their two hour queue's and show SE that they've made a mistake.

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This will happen, but not for the reason you stated. It'll happen because their FC and friends will be sticking together anyway. It'll be the same thing for healers as well. It's not just Tanks that are disappointed. Healers are right here with you.