SE please stop putting ex primals in the raid finder and put them back in duty finder

I actually had a pretty good idea right now!

Dear people making guids on youtube,

please make a guid to show hos to use the raidfinder! Currently people arent struggeling so much with soar but with queuing up for Zurvan since they cant find the duty! They've shown and pointed out that they can research guides and videos on how to clear content, maybe you can help them to access it aswell!

Sincerly,
Vidu

(This is actually half sarcastic and half serious - if thats how you reach people interested in doing ex-primals... be my guest - in raidfinder.)

Raid finder excludes people based on experience though. In Raid finder you can choose to only queue with people who have cleared, only people who want to do the first phase, or only people who want to do the last phase. You can't select it for all, which divides up the already small number of people who would use Raidfinder, and people just make PFs for the above options anyway, raidfinder is redundant. DF works because it mixes people who have cleared, and all the other people of varying experiences. I am someone who likes helping people clear content in DF (I am still proud of when I helped 6 first-timers clear the whorleater before HW came out), and I really miss the DF experience.
:I Plus I like the anonymity of DF when I am learning something. PF has my name plastered for everyone to see and remember when I am failing in a learning party :I

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Originally Posted by NessaWyvern

Raid finder excludes people based on experience though. In Raid finder you can choose to only queue with people who have cleared, only people who want to do the first phase, or only people who want to do the last phase.

:I Plus I like the anonymity of DF when I am learning something. PF has my name plastered for everyone to see and remember when I am failing in a learning party :I

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This is a bone of contention for a lot of people. Some fights are far from trivial, even when they are overgeared for like Thordan Ex. There are many that don't appreciate having their farm time wasted because they got lumped in with newbies and no option to bail (because of 30 min pentalty). I think the RF is fine where it is, it just needs to allow multi queuing.

Some of the primals Zurvan EX for example nobody queues for it in raid finder. I picked duty complete and after 3 hours it didn't find a group. For whatever reason if it were in duty finder I think there may be a faster queue since there isn't all these options, of cleared or not or practice or not

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Originally Posted by Yudzster

i like this dude's thread, always enjoyable to read

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i know right?

Before RF, any completely new EX primals were full party queue only until they lifted the restriction later. You couldn't even solo queue the new ones. In that sense, it's sort of an improvement.

I mean I guess the really old ones should have been pulled out by now and thrown into DF but you would lose the filters so there are pros and cons.

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Originally Posted by Zumi

Some of the primals Zurvan EX for example nobody queues for it in raid finder. I picked duty complete and after 3 hours it didn't find a group. For whatever reason if it were in duty finder I think there may be a faster queue since there isn't all these options, of cleared or not or practice or not

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Nah it's not because it is RF. It's because people do 1 tank strategies in NA datacenters, and it wouldn't change if it was in DF since both force 2 tanks by default. Sophia RF was decently popular, but that's because the standard party setup was the normal party setup in PF and being able to solo queue completion with others with clears was a game changer.

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Originally Posted by NessaWyvern

Raid finder excludes people based on experience though. In Raid finder you can choose to only queue with people who have cleared, only people who want to do the first phase, or only people who want to do the last phase. You can't select it for all, which divides up the already small number of people who would use Raidfinder

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Thats why I personally would suggest to narrow the options down to "cleared" and "not cleared" - if you've cleared it you're ofc still free to queue up for "not cleared" if you wish to help!
The problem with DF is: Farming ex-primals there isnt a very pleasent experience, because well, yes, you get all sorts of people. That makes it ofc useful for those who are trying to learn and clear, but useless/painful for everyone who just wants their weapon - sometimes you've got half an hour on your hand, thats not enough to commit to a farm-party; and sometimes I like the option to jump out even after just one or two runs without feeling bad about it.

You're making it sound a bit like "I dont want all those experienced players to be taken out of my queue", yet that might be what those people actually want and forcing them to help isnt... "good" - it leads to all that toxic behaviour we're seeing towards people being new to an ex-primal. So give them the option to only queue up with people who have cleared the instance before is good in my opinion. But the other selections can go, since the game cant check them anyways and they just hurt the queue-pool without achieving anything.

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Originally Posted by Vaer

Nah it's not because it is RF. It's because people do 1 tank strategies in NA datacenters, and it wouldn't change if it was in DF since both force 2 tanks by default. Sophia RF was decently popular, but that's because the standard party setup was the normal party setup in PF and being able to solo queue completion with others with clears was a game changer.

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Sophia was/is great in RF! She might be one of the easier primals, granted, but honestly: one-shoting her like 10 times in a row with randoms was really, really nice (not so nice: I lost the bird ;_; with 97...)

Use party finder, no reason to complain about this anymore when you can just make a cross-world party.

I've never quite understood why they couldn't be in both. DF for random without restrictions, and RF so you can set parameters if you want.

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Originally Posted by TaleraRistain

I've never quite understood why they couldn't be in both. DF for random without restrictions, and RF so you can set parameters if you want.

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Likely because RF is already going to split up the available pool of players quite a bit and adding it to DF is a mostly pointless further division of that pool of players. Dividing the player pool up too much makes it hard for the queue to fill groups, which leads to longer wait times and a less positive game experience.