A case of chronic gear imbalance

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Originally Posted by Cordie

How the loot system works? 8 drops per week, for 8 people.. do your maths.

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This is assuming A. you're clearing all four turns every week, since week 1. B.) You're in a group that is actually willing to organzie drops in this assinine, illogical way, and C.) you're perfectly happy with a completely random and most likely useless-to-you piece of i270 gear.

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Originally Posted by Espritduo

You are grossly overestimating how much i270 gear people actually get from raiding. [...]

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Overestimating? 8 coffers for 8 people, per week . They are i270, too, and most likely they don't magically lose 10 ilvls if used on another class.

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Originally Posted by Espritduo

...if you really want i270 gear right now and can't wait one month for 3.5, there is nothing stopping you from going and getting it yourself, if you think it is so quick and easy to do it. Find a group, make a schedule, and sit down and learn the fights. [...] There is nothing stopping a person who cares enough about this to whine on the forums about it from sitting down and putting in the TIME and EFFORT to clear the current raid tier.[...]

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One month? Since September 26th? It's more than 2 months already.
I am in no way keen on doing the instant gratification content. I would be on another game if I did.

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Originally Posted by Cordie

It does.. for like a whopping 15 minutes...
Raiding is the quintessential instant gratification part of the game.

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Ya, okay. You go clear A9-12S with minimal scheduling and preparation, I'm sure you'll faceroll it in an hour for that "instant gratification".

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Originally Posted by Cordie

How the loot system works? 8 drops per week, for 8 people.. do your maths.

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Perhaps you should do your maths? Or rather, inform yourself on what RNG means.

Just because 8 items can drop from a total clear of savage Alexander, doesn't mean all those 8 items will be useful.
It's possible to get duplicate drops, or drops for a job that no one in the static plays. About half the drops from A9S have been MNK/NIN drops, without anyone in the static playing either of those jobs.

The majority of my gear upgrades have been from scriptures, with one A9S accessory from a drop, and the other two bought with A9S pages (that's 8 pages total, or 8 weeks for two i270 accessories, since you get one page per week).
Then there's the two Shire accessories that I've been able to upgrade through the gobcoat from A10S. Only 1 gobcoat drops per week, in total, so only 1 raider in a group of 8 can upgrade an accessory. I haven't cleared A11S yet, so no gobtwines to upgrade pieces of Shire gear, but gobtwines work the same as gobcoats (one per week from A11S).

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Originally Posted by Cordie

If anything, capping lore is casual grinding. (I'd be glad to have more grinding available for the i270 Shire gear).

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The point of i270 gear is that it makes raiding feel rewarding for the first 3-4 months. Why would I go through the effort of defeating challenging content if it were possible to mindlessly grind my way to i270 gear?
If you're unable to do savage raiding, you'll just have to wait for the odd numbered patches. 3.5 will allow you to upgrade your i260 Shire gear through the new 24-man raid and through hunts.

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Originally Posted by Cordie

Overestimating? 8 coffers for 8 people, per week . They are i270, too, and most likely they don't magically lose 10 ilvls if used on another class.

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Because everyone plays all the jobs, right? It'd be pointless for me to get an i270 item for a job that I don't play.

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Originally Posted by Cordie

One month? Since September 26th? It's more than 2 months already.

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One month from now, mid-January.

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Originally Posted by Cordie

I am in no way keen on doing the instant gratification content. I would be on another game if I did.

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You must be new to this game.

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Originally Posted by Espritduo

This is assuming A. you're clearing all four turns every week, since week 1. B.) You're in a group that is actually willing to organzie drops in this assinine, illogical way, and C.) you're perfectly happy with a completely random and most likely useless-to-you piece of i270 gear.

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And none of these assumptions reduces the amount (or ilvl) of loot for a weekly clear.

So, you're wanting to "grind" for the i270 gear in the same amount of time it would take the "instant gratification" raiders to get theirs? Current raid level gear is nothing more than an achievement title you can wear. It's not needed for ANY content. You don't get a leg up on another player because you have the i270 chest piece versus the i260. Furthermore, depending on class requirements, raid tier gear may not even be BiS.

I do agree that the relic weapon should be at a minimum the same ilvl as savage for each patch. Since it really is the only grindable piece of battle equipment in the game.

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Originally Posted by Cordie

How the loot system works? 8 drops per week, for 8 people.. do your maths.

If anything, capping lore is casual grinding. (I'd be glad to have more grinding available for the i270 Shire gear).

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Still doesn't know the amount of drops from raids or how common repeat/useless drops are. (Getting 9 pairs of DRG boots, feels-good)

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Originally Posted by Nezerius

Ya, okay. You go clear A9-12S with minimal scheduling and preparation, I'm sure you'll faceroll it in an hour for that "instant gratification".

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Had it been of interest to me I probably would.. or rather not – I’d be playing a different game for that.

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Originally Posted by Nezerius

Perhaps you should do your maths? Or rather, inform yourself on what RNG means.
Just because 8 items can drop from a total clear of savage Alexander, doesn't mean all those 8 items will be useful.

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Yet again, the equivalent of “i270 items lose 10-ilvls-or-something if they’re not for X class”.

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Originally Posted by Nezerius

The point of i270 gear is that it makes raiding feel rewarding for the first 3-4 months. Why would I go through the effort of defeating challenging content if it were possible to mindlessly grind my way to i270 gear?

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Uhmm because it’s (1) faster, (2) drops items with different sub-stats, (3) gives you extra glamours, (4) gives you a mount?
We’re all well aware of the special-snowflake syndrome of raiders, mind you.

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Originally Posted by Nezerius

Because everyone plays all the jobs, right? It'd be pointless for me to get an i270 item for a job that I don't play.
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You must be new to this game.

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Actually, WoW might suit you way better than a Final Fantasy title.

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Originally Posted by Nezerius

One month from now, mid-January.

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..this only increases it to over 3 months.

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Originally Posted by Nakanishi

Still doesn't know the amount of drops from raids or how common repeat/useless drops are. (Getting 9 pairs of DRG boots, feels-good)

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The amount of drops? exactly 8 on first weekly clear, unless you're doing something wrong.
(wow! you get 9 pairs of drg boots from 8 coffers, in 1 week? that's truly something extraordinary, indeed. Would you share more details? I have DRG friends that might be interested.)

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Originally Posted by BorisDaBlade

So, you're wanting to "grind" for the i270 gear in the same amount of time it would take the "instant gratification" raiders to get theirs? Current raid level gear is nothing more than an achievement title you can wear. It's not needed for ANY content. You don't get a leg up on another player because you have the i270 chest piece versus the i260. Furthermore, depending on class requirements, raid tier gear may not even be BiS.

I do agree that the relic weapon should be at a minimum the same ilvl as savage for each patch. Since it really is the only grindable piece of battle equipment in the game.

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This is exactly what I would like to have: a longer and more convoluted grind tto i270, right away, instead of faceroll weekly grinds to i260.

If it was intended as an achievement title, it should have been precisely an achievement title (see savage 2nd coil).

It might not be BiS, but it's certainly doubling the options.

Agreed on the relic.