[Cash Shop Idea] Game Time Token

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Originally Posted by Enur

what you must remember is that in wow it worked

Why shouldnt we take the things that work in other games and add it to our own?

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Things that work don't always mean that they're good. Think about it. Take a look at DLC from games. We buy a game for 50 bucks, believing that we can play a finished product. But, wait! The company has a special offer you, in the form of a Season Pass. With it, you can get additional content for the game you've just bought, but we can't really tell you what it is just yet. You can buy it for only 25 bucks! Ok, that's 75 bucks for a game in order to get a finished product. But, is the DLC actually worth it? We don't know until we see or try it. Ow, hey! We got another offer for you, which is our collectors edition of the game, which will include a DLC story exclusive to the Collectors edition. We sell it for 120 bucks in our store!

Yes, DLC for games works, but with the above example you would "have to" pay 145 bucks, just to get the complete story they're making for the game. I'm sorry, but since when did that turn out to be ok? Yes, making games is expensive and they need to get their money somewhere, but come on...

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Originally Posted by Enur

The point of this suggestion is not for benefit of players! Its to kill bots

Easing the finances of some is but a side effect. Not the main goal

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No, we are not talking about bots, we are talking about RMT. Those are 2 completely different things. RMT may use bots in order to generate a certain amount of cashflow to sustain their RMT business, but it's still about the actual RMT. And be completely honest with yourself, neither bots nor RMT will go away. As long as there are people who buy from RMT businesses, RMT will exist. As long as there are people who want to cheat their way through the game, they will use bots.

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Originally Posted by Aldora

And trust me, i know fully well that RMT will never go away. As long as there are people buying in-game currency with real money, there will always be RMT around the corner who will make full use of that opportunity. But, “legalizing” it is not the way to go.

RMT is a bannable offence and thus has to be punished. You buy gil? You suffer the consequence. Period.

The only wish i have is that SE hunts them down faster. Have a GM stand in each zone of the game and the second they see an RMT shout or receives one through tell, let the ban hammer fly. They can even suspend them until the internal investigation of their illicit activities/RMT Advertising has concluded.

RMT should not be tolerated and addressed with a firm hand. Not be “challenged” by introducing your own “Legal RMT”.

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And be completely honest with yourself neither bots nor RMT will go away.

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Wow removed rmt and bots with a token system. I dont see why FFXIV cant repeat Wows succes in that department. What we have now obviously doesnt work. Bots/Rmt are rampant everywhere. in wow they are absent

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Originally Posted by Enur

Wow removed rmt and bots with a token system. I dont see why FFXIV cant repeat Wows succes in that department. What we have now obviously doesnt work. Bots/Rmt are rampant everywhere. in wow they are absent

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I'm really sorry, if you really think that WoW has removed RMT, check the trade chat. I still see RMT Advertisements every time i log into WoW (i have characters on "Azjol Nerub"). Even from "PvPBank" that advertises on FFXIV too.

So i just compared the prices of WoW gold from illegitimate site. (I do NOT advocate the use of said sites)

Wow's token-gold is cheaper still.
I was not aware that rmt was still a thing in smaller servers. I mainly roamed high pop EU servers in my wow days. RMT Wasnt thing. if it has returned i deeply apologize for trying to state my opinion based on my observations. I see things from EU standpoint.

i hindsight it seems obvious that RMT is bigger on US servers

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Originally Posted by Aldora

I'm really sorry, if you really think that WoW has removed RMT, check the trade chat. I still see RMT Advertisements every time i log into WoW (i have characters on "Azjol Nerub").

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She's right. It will always be there, even if you don't see it. Most RMT tells have died out in FFXIV, but they have their product to sell still.

Also Aldora, is it a good idea to call a RMT site by name? D:

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Originally Posted by Violyre

She's right. It will always be there, even if you don't see it. Most RMT tells have died out in FFXIV, but they have their product to sell still.

Also Aldora, is it a good idea to call a RMT site by name? D:

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Being back after more than a 2 year break, the /tell RMT spam have definively vanished (at least on Moogle where I play), unlike 2 years ago where it was recurrent. I do still regulary see one (not always the same obviously) RMT spammer often near marketboards in Uldah, Gridania and Limsa.

And of course a bunch "Dlkjnfjsdklf Xsjdfxidjjf" named-like characters all stacked at the exact same spot in city, as well as popping weirdly around unspoiled nodes.

Disclaimer: If it happens that a real ""Dlkjnfjsdklf Xsjdfxidjjf" actually exists in the game, this is purely coincidental. :p

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Originally Posted by Enur

So i just compared the prices of WoW gold from illegitimate site. (I do NOT advocate the use of said sites)

I was not aware that rmt was still a thing in smaller servers. I mainly roamed high pop EU servers in my wow days. RMT Wasnt thing. if it has returned i deeply apologize for trying to state my opinion based on my observations. I see things from EU standpoint.

i hindsight it seems obvious that RMT is bigger on US servers

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As far as I am aware both Aldora and I are from the same European country. (They may have moved, I don't know them personally.)
My own girlfriend, who is a WoW player, is pestered by rmt every time she logs in, and she plays on a fairly populated European server.

RMT isn't a regional thing, they are everywhere and players from America do not necessarily buy more gil than Europeans.
That you don't see a lot, doesn't mean that they aren't there.

Aldora, as much as I'd love to discuss your reasons to oppose it, I can't just for the simple fact that your reasons are very personal, your biggest argument is that you don't like the thought that someone is playing the game without paying their own sub (not a free sub, mind you, since someone else is paying for it and SE is getting money in the end), you seem to value very little any other side effect (positive and negative) and that boggles my mind more than the existence of a sub token, I don't know what you find so extremely wrong about it when everyone benefits from it, including the company, and it's not like people will be forced to use this system, I dare say the majority of WoW players don't buy the token.

Again, i apologize. i saw you were from Sargatanas and assumed you playedfrom the US.

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Originally Posted by Genaxx

How much on average would 30 days cost in WoW gold compared to gil? 5 mil? 10 mil? 30 mil?

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yup 10m to 15m.