Well, in another thread, I half-jokingly asked whether what we saw in those trailers was actually happening in the Source. For all we know, those could have been events in one of the Reflections. When asked by fans, the dev team has stated before that Derplander & Co are actual people (as well as placeholders for us, the player-characters). As for why we haven't met them in our adventurers until now... well, go figure. Perhaps they were in a different world altogether at the time? ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by saberchic
As for why they apparently "wanted" darkness to win, I'd suggest reading this thread again from the beginning. The second post itself should clear up most of your confusion.
In short, the WoDs were originally the heroes of their own world, the First. So, it's not surprising that they'd be fighting "on our side". As for why they appeared to be the antagonists throughout 3.x, well, they had been misled by Elidibus and were, in effect, blackmailed into attacking the WoL to save the First. They didn't really want darkness to win, but believed, against their better judgment, that it was the only way to prevent the First from being flooded with Light. That would be a calamity, too, as it would erase all life from the First.
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10-07-2016, 01:33 AMTinyRedLeaf
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10-07-2016, 05:20 AMAnonymooseNot to dismiss the currently-darksteelfoil-hat theory that Version 1.0 took place on the First (or that the First is an exact replica of that timeline up until it diverged recently), and not to dismiss the possibility that they've been here longer than we expected, but:Quote:
Originally Posted by saberchic
I'm leaving my mind open to the possibility that the [Warriors of Darkness] look just like the [CG Party] (seen in the trailers) simply because someone thought it would be cool and no one thought people would think too hard about it. (Like Turn 9.) After all, the [CG Party] is still used in the trailers to this day. Imho, it's safer to assume that the the Midlander Hyur seen in that trailer is the Midlander Hyur that became a dragoon and gets chained by the Warriors of Darkness in the Soul Surrender previews (until we get better hints otherwise).
If that's the case, the [CG Party] is and was always on the Source, and they are generic adventurers that might exist on their own somewhere but mostly just represent your character. And then the [Warriors of Darkness] were and were always on the First, but just happen to look like the [CG Party] because they are the exact equivalent of generic adventurers chosen by Hydaelyn, but from a different world.
It's a "safe" assumption until someone on the fringe get more support, but it cannot answer for why - in an Echo - the Warriors of Darkness are clearly wearing Eorzean artifact armor. Is it "because timelines"? Did the Echo helpfully superimpose the image of the people we were seeing on over who they used to be? Should we "not think too hard about it"? -
10-09-2016, 11:32 AMRamessesThanks again for this Moose... excellent and yes this thoroughly explains a lot more about the void stuff I was trying to ask you last time we talked. I agree that there is a lot of room for gray and here's another possible response to your question: What does this all mean? One notion that must also be observed is whether this whole dance between Hydaelyn and Zodiark is actually (at its simplest level) a way for them both to evolve? I vaguely seem to have seen these same stages of phrases in many sophisticated tales of evolution. They usually go like this:Quote:
Originally Posted by Anonymoose
Separation, fragmentation, conflict, resolution, then reestablish back together as an evolved whole... sound familiar?
Secondly... and this is a lingering thought that has been nagging at me since 2.0 launched: As a future main plot twist to a major part of the Eorzean lore, what if our Derplander is Gaius?
Sounds absurd, I know... and its even more absurd than the other discussion I've heard regarding Unukalhai being his son... (that's a whole other debate so Im not going there). Nonetheless, why do I think Derpy could be Gaius? Sure, he's apparently supposed to be full blooded Garlean Hume (with the third eye) and not even a Eorzean Hume. Naturally, in the few times I had casually mentioned this suggestion on my blog and online, it has been graciously dismissed. It's not just the coincidental fact in the original 1.0 trailers, the echo purposely transports Derpy to the great battle between Middy and the Garlean's flagship Agrius. Or that they are both Hume. Or that since 2.0 Gaius was obsessed with conquering Eorzea (even though it can be correctly debated that he was using the period of internal strife for the Garlean throne as a precursor to do his own thing and further his own agenda with his XIVth legion).
Nor is it Gaius' constant trademark statement of never believing in false gods... but its the fact that we, the Warriors of Light, started our own adventurers by simply appearing on Eorzea with Hydaelyn's voice in our heads: "Hear, Think, Feel". Could not the same be said for Derplander? And if you ask Why, I shall counter with the question "Why Not"?
With our Warriors of Darkness having now returned to the Aether stream, could the possibility not be argued that Derplander found his way back to our plane (this same 13th plane--- albeit in a different timeline), found himself in the Garlean region within an empire that had just began to take shape... and swiftly progressed through the ranks to become a Legatus, our illustrious Black Wolf?
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10-09-2016, 12:44 PMCilia
What is this "Hume" of which you speak?
Also, what.
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Contradictions / holes:
Ascian-style planeswalking (to borrow a term from M:tG) requires one to possess a Crystal of Light / Darkness and give up mortal existence. As far as we know, neither apply to Gaius.
Our "plane" is the Source, or the Zeroth Reflection. The Thirteenth became the void after being drowned in a Flood of Darkness and has been in that state since before the Allagan Empire.
What time manipulation is currently available cannot be used to alter the past. Alexander could do naught but create causal loops (doing much outside of his causal loops would create a temporal paradox), and even the most the Ascians can do is speed up their own internal time (Nabriales' Double and Triple). Louisoix was only able to project the Warriors of Light into the future, functionally speaking. It would require the likes of Alexander to send Derplander back in time to become Gaius, and as far as we know neither he nor a similar primal was summoned around that time frame. (Also, given his relative benevolence, I don't think Alexander would do that unless Gaius were part of the causal loop he has to perpetuate... which he isn't.) We can move through time, but time itself is immovable - as far as we know.
The Echo is not literal time travel; it's more like overcoming the barriers of another's soul to view their memories. Or at least that's our main application of it.
According to recent commentary, Regula van Hydrus was the only imperial legatus who earned his station through merit rather than political maneuvering and/or high birth. Presumably this includes Gaius. -
10-09-2016, 09:22 PMAlleo
Wow the theories are getting even more crazy. First I thought why should we, who derplander represents, be Gaius? Then I noticed that you probably mean the WoD or Darklander. So you mean that after what happened in 3.4 the WoD landed in our past and somehow ended as part of the Galearn empire? Shouldn't he have recognized us in our first meeting as Gaius if this was the case? Shouldn't they have the same voice? I do like some good discussion but really nothing makes much sense in this theory ^^;.
The echo scene that derplander saw was probably only there to show us players what happened in the battle by the lake and how Middy dies and the primals got free. And lets not forget that derplander in this scene was us. He is our representation and for your theory to come true, the other one needs to be true too..I mean the one about how the WoD were original from the source and got transported into the other world by the time spell.