The majority of new characters are bots

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08-02-2016, 04:32 PM
Dumbledoremd

Love to name and shame them on YouTube its also just fun to mess with the sb bots
08-02-2016, 08:50 PM
MaFi0s0

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Originally Posted by Bourne_Endeavor

SE does that exact same thing with their own ban waves. Nevertheless, detecting cheats like what those people were using is far easier than eliminating bots. One is a group of actual players. The other is, well, bots who can easily be replaced.

Im not sure if I agree, SE just isnt aggresive enough, I played WoW for 3 years and only came across bots twice, one was a person in my guild and another was a random.
WoW also uses Warden just like Overwatch does.

The detection for Warden also relies on virtual inputs and it makes things very hard for the coders as they have to do a lot more coding and bug testing.

Having read a popular cheat forum the attitude towards FFXIV and WoW/Overwatch is a lot different, they fear Blizzard but feel very safe with FFXIV which confirmed my observation from my Anti-Virus about there being only server side checks.
08-02-2016, 09:01 PM
Lisotte

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Originally Posted by MaFi0s0

Broken down to its essentials it does 3 things:

1) Its main thing, people who would otherwise buy Gil from RMT farmers instead are buying tokens from the Mog Station, along with honest players.

2) It redistributes Gil a little, eg rich players buy the tokens from the MB giving poor players Gil. This improves the economy greatly.

3) Allows more poeple to play: a) People who dont have time to farm for Gil and mats, b) People who dont want to pay a monthly sub.

Its win win for players and devs and a kick in the teeth to RMT.

In that case RIP our economy, just like WoW's. EVE is the only game that did this decently well, but even then the PLEX part of the economy is super weird and has lead to crazy inflation over the years.
08-02-2016, 09:33 PM
DragonFlyy

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Originally Posted by MaFi0s0

Its dumb a sub based MMO cant do checking for cheating like this.

Pretty much the same for every MMO out there, subscription based or not. They are all plagued with it, and when the company patches the game to stop it, they find a new way. Ban them? They just get more accounts (either buy them or steal them).
08-03-2016, 12:24 AM
MaFi0s0

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Originally Posted by DragonFlyy

Pretty much the same for every MMO out there, subscription based or not. They are all plagued with it, and when the company patches the game to stop it, they find a new way. Ban them? They just get more accounts (either buy them or steal them).

Yea thats true, its not a big deal for me because I know the economy will suffer regardless, but a simple virtual input detection would go a long way for just making the game more dignified because about every second day I see bots on Tonberry.

The issue tbh is if theres any PvP bots but even WoW has these. What they do is interupt spells for you and counter stuff that should need good reflexes and focus.
08-03-2016, 12:36 AM
Atoli

What Dragonfly said.
You stop them, they find another way. Every server has at least a few of them, but I feel a bit sorry for the smaller servers that get plagued with them, because the big servers are creationlocked most of the time so all the Bots, Gilsellers and the like flock to the smaller, open servers^^°

That said...

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http://i.imgur.com/oxoh90c.jpg

..some of those might totally be legit Roegadyn names ;)
08-03-2016, 12:46 AM
Bourne_Endeavor

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Originally Posted by MaFi0s0

Im not sure if I agree, SE just isnt aggresive enough, I played WoW for 3 years and only came across bots twice, one was a person in my guild and another was a random.
WoW also uses Warden just like Overwatch does.

The detection for Warden also relies on virtual inputs and it makes things very hard for the coders as they have to do a lot more coding and bug testing.

Having read a popular cheat forum the attitude towards FFXIV and WoW/Overwatch is a lot different, they fear Blizzard but feel very safe with FFXIV which confirmed my observation from my Anti-Virus about there being only server side checks.

Have you played WoW recently? Bots were not nearly as ubiquitous back when WoW launched because MMOs were still a somewhat new genre. I know a GM personally and she's had to deal with virtually the same volume of complaints and accusations they do "nothing" about bots, hackers and etc. It also depends on your server. I, for instance, have only seen bots twice in a full year because Balmung is so notoriously hard to get into. This doesn't mean SE cannot do more to help mitigate the problem. A right click option is sorely needed.

Cheaters and bots are two completely different things. Like I said, cheaters are actual players who generally lack the funds or IP spoofing methods to get around bans. Bots are scripts that allow one person to control multiple characters at once. If said character is banned, they simply make another. Entire companies devoted to getting into popular games and spamming links. A reddit user went into explicit detail how much of "business" this is in China. Unfortunately, they don't fear Blizzard anymore than Square because neither company has legal authority to do anything. That's why bot companies rarely crop up in North America. If they did, then Blizzard could and would sue them into bankruptcy.
08-03-2016, 12:48 AM
Pixelmancer

Server transfer? I've started 2 new characters on 2 different servers and I've never seen a bot herd.

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Originally Posted by Lisotte

In that case RIP our economy, just like WoW's. EVE is the only game that did this decently well, but even then the PLEX part of the economy is super weird and has lead to crazy inflation over the years.

Please explain how you think PLEX lead to inflation despite introducing 0 new ISK into the economy. In fact, they're actually an ISK sink thanks to market taxes.

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Originally Posted by Bourne_Endeavor

Have you played WoW recently? Bots were not nearly as ubiquitous back when WoW launched because MMOs were still a somewhat new genre.

MMOs had been around for almost a decade before WoW.

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Originally Posted by DragonFlyy

Pretty much the same for every MMO out there, subscription based or not. They are all plagued with it, and when the company patches the game to stop it, they find a new way. Ban them? They just get more accounts (either buy them or steal them).

The game industry needs to learn a lesson from other industries and spend some of their money lobbying. There are multiple viable solutions they could pursue with small changes or additions to the law.

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Originally Posted by Bourne_Endeavor

That's why bot companies rarely crop up in North America. If they did, then Blizzard could and would sue them into bankruptcy.

No it isn't and no they can't. They don't crop up in North America often because it's not financially viable. You should do some research on it.
08-03-2016, 03:32 AM
Morningstar1337

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Originally Posted by Atoli

That said...

..some of those might totally be legit Roegadyn names ;)

Unlikely, none of the names on that list have the patronyms assoctaed with Sea Wolves. So these are legitimately bots

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