Patch 3.26 Discussion

Welp while i do agree that the nerfs on A6S are quite heavy, by all means its a freaking video game not your life.

We were working on A6S and welp, i dont really care about the nerf now, sort of. Sure for others it is shitty caus they put effort in in actually getting it done but seriously, there is nothing that will change this. They Even said it in the Live letter that they will nerf it.. so we already know about this, u guys are all raging about weeks old news which is just silly.

Get used to that kind of stuff, getting mad over a game is just stupid. The Majority of the Community are not Hardoce or Progression oriented people, that is the cas in pretty much every game and SE is still a freaking Company so if they dont do anything to keep the Majority of player happy or entertained, they would lose alot of customers in this game, simple.

As much as annoying it is, From a PoV of a company i can see the reasons behind it, and even though I was quite surpirsied or even shocked about the changes, i can understand them.

So stop crying over nothing that is worth and enjoy the game as it is, or change the game if you are thinking this game makes u unhappy, in the end nothing will make them change their minds and im pretty damn sure that they wont listen to People who pretent to Cry.

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Amen

I think the idea is pretty simple.

The devs felt like the difficulty of A6S was higher than A7S. I've seen a number of people who share this thought. Hell, even my own team said "Well, on the brought side, once we beat this - we'll be on A7S which is supposedly easier."


I want you to think about that mindset for a while. I also want you to think about A3S. I want you to think about how many statics it killed, how badly it must've hit Square Enix's bottom line that they were made aware of it, and how it affected raid communities (Everyone going to Gilgamesh.)

So, what I see in this nerf - is literally SE trying to make it more of a progressive rise to A8S, and prevent there being too strict a barrier to entry. Keep in mind, this is not really the 'hardcore' raiding we saw with Second Coil of Bahamut (Savage.) This is meant more for the mid-to-hardcore crowd, like First to Final coil were.

It sucks that I didn't get to beat A6S at its full strength, but I'm still fine with the nerfs. It'll push groups through A6S, and that will get them gear - the gear will help them clear A7S (since someone else mentioned DPS checks.)

I guess my static, which isn't hardcore and has had maybe 4 hours total practice on A6S, will be able to 1 shot it on sunday, no problem. Even though we haven't seen Swindler/Vortexer. Am I right? I mean from the sounds of all these elitist it's completely faceroll now. /s

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Originally Posted by Rivaille

C) The real question: Why would you even nerf A6S?

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It was already stated that the devs had concerns with the difficulty curve being higher in 6 than 7.

It was also already stated that they were considering lowering damage (the other changes are a surprise to me).

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So, if we look at Gordias Savage, SE was unwilling to nerf this for very long.

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Yeah, and look what it did to the raiding community. It's nice that they're willing to learn from past mistakes.

My static is working on A6S atm; I'll reserve judgement on the changes till we get in there this week.

This is just another case of SE not being capable of balancing their raids properly to begin with. The change was in response to A6S being considered harder to take down to AS7. Which by feedback from people who are at least on AS8 right now, seems to be the case.

I don't think it should of been changed. SE should of just taken it as a lesson for the next tier of raids. Which is funny they decide to do this now because AS3 was arguably harder than AS4 mechanics wise. Same with T7 in Coils being much harder than T8. Where were those changes during their prime?

I can really only agree with a nerf if it is a mechanic that is borderline broken like pre-nerf tornadoes in T5 of Coil. A6S before the nerf was most definitely more than doable by a midcore group. Especially at the gear ilvl people are reaching right now.

Well this is raiding today folks. Like I preached for months before release that SE will keep reducing the difficulty of the hardest content till the game goes from being 97% casual content to 100%.

I do really wonder if SE even cares about the raiding scene at all. Maybe they should just stop Savage raids and just use those resources to make another Lords of Verminion game.

Ohh look at that, myself being overly dramatic again. :O

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Originally Posted by Ashkendor

It was already stated that the devs had concerns with the difficulty curve being higher in 6 than 7.

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I still don't get why this is important. Savage is for the challenge, and the fight is clearable, it's nowhere near A3S initial state.

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Originally Posted by Kitfox

I still don't get why this is important. Savage is for the challenge, and the fight is clearable, it's nowhere near A3S initial state.

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Based on what was said, it's because the devs wanted a steadily increasing level of challenge rather than having a spike in the middle. So they changed things around. I mean, we're talking about getting gloves and boots here. A2S (the previous raid tier's equivalent) wasn't exactly hard. Ultimately, it boils down to the fact that it's their sandbox. If they aren't happy with the clear rates, they'll change stuff till they are. We already knew that changes were a possibility so I dunno why some people are so bothered by this. My static's currently making steady progress on A6S and it doesn't really bother me.

Rogue
Ninja Dancing Edge The reduction of HP recovery via healing magic has been removed.


>yfw there are no WAR'S in your party and you can't kill healers anymore.

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Originally Posted by LunaSnowfield

Rogue
Ninja Dancing Edge The reduction of HP recovery via healing magic has been removed.


>yfw there are no WAR'S in your party and you can't kill healers anymore.

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Not healer, but dps first (As I see on my data center's Feast).

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Originally Posted by Ashkendor

Based on what was said, it's because the devs wanted a steadily increasing level of challenge rather than having a spike in the middle.

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But then
T2 was harder than T4 (pre enrage strat)
T7 was harder than T8
T10 was harder than T11
A3S was harder than A4S (if you used the sac strat and weren't playing a healer)


I'm not sure why the turns/floors have to be in order of difficulty all of a sudden.