Is dpsing and a healer becoming the standard norm!

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Originally Posted by Kitano123

So if a tank's hp drops in seconds because they didnt use cd's effectively thats the healers fault?

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If he is DPSing, yes. If the tank eat a tank buster, with or without CD, and the healer didn't heal him immediatley because is DPSing, i helaer fault. If the tank isn't use CD, but still have good mitigation and the healer is DPSing, is healer fault.

If the healer is doing his job, and the tank don't use anything ,it is tank fault. I'm not saying ii is always healer fault, because that's not true. I'm saying a healer shouln't DPS if the tank HP drops too much.

I am not talking about tanks forgeting things or gettimg more damage when thay can avoid, I'm talking about a healer DSPing and forgeting heal and blaming tank. Nothing more. Also, CD are not always ready to use.

But in this case, the OP case, it is healer fault.

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Originally Posted by sorahu

healing to me seems like it becoming a more difficult class to play if they have to heal, dps, watch for mechanics and raise dps to keep doing there main jobs= dps

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It depends on how good everybody else is. If everybody is awful, low dps and constantly get hit then being a healer sucks. If they do good dps and always avoid avoidable damage then healing is incredibly easy.

I dps and play very aggressive as a healer because I enjoy it and have fun playing that way because if I did nothing but heal in dungeons I would be bored to tears. While I do dps, healing and ensuring that everyone in the group is alive and free of debuffs is my top priority and the only time I can remember a tank dieing under my care was when he DCed and ate half a dozen AOEs at once.

That aside, while your healer was probably being a jerk, tanks SHOULD use their defensive CDs. Too many tanks I see tend to ignore them because they figure the healer will get them through it.

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Originally Posted by Xlantaa

If he is DPSing, yes. If the tank eat a tank buster, with or without CD, and the healer didn't heal him immediatley because is DPSing, i helaer fault. If the tank isn't use CD, but still have good mitigation and the healer is DPSing, is healer fault.

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I'm sorry, I can not abide by this.

If a tank dies in Sword Oath to a tank buster, that is on the tank, not the healer. I hate tanks that eat tank busters in DPS stance, pop foresight, and then blame the healer when they die.

Tanks are accountable. If they don't pop mitigation and they die, that is on them. I have had tanks eating towers in Sephirot-EX who are surprised they don't survive when they're in DPS stance and pop absolutely nothing to help the healer.

Now, if the tank pops CD's and they still die? Then yes, I can blame a healer for that. But if you're eating 20k+ damage and you only have 21k hp? Pop some ****ing mitigation.

As others have said it has been the norm for a very long time now. I have been doing it since Instarted healing. And, no, healers who don't dps are not player their job to the fullest.

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Originally Posted by Laurima

easily the most stupid thing I have ever read, like ever.

show me a healer that can out dps a Warrior. while maintaining group health pools ><

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A WHM who doesn't know WHM aoe is king... I can do 1K dps in sss, and that's single target. Put me in a group of adds where I can holy/aero III/ Assiez and no tank will touch a whm dps. And all you need in dungeons nowadys is essentially a regen on the tank, and tetra/ cure II when he dips down a ways.

Let's be honest here anything outside of savage difficulty is a joke in this game giving healers and tanks plenty of time to DPS. If it was increased you be more focus on healing and tanking and some dpsing when can squeeze it in.

Maybe we need to spend less time passing blame and fault to one another. I'm not sure it ever actually succeeds in improving player performance and just makes everyone miserable.

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Originally Posted by ElieDavion

while i did say that lets set some things straight while a paladin can heal himself it costs half his mp wich he also needs for stupid things like flash.
wich doesnt mean he shouldnt use it or any other cd that should be common sense. it also should be common sense that a healer heals when a heal is needed

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That is true. But the healer is using mp that can be used to heal as well while missing a few hits while dpsing. Like I said just playing devils advocate. I don't count on a pally to self heal. If hp gets too low, its cause I was too aggressive with my dps and I apologize and get less aggressive. Also in DF, I don't go in expecting any tank to use any cd's, so I don't yell at them when they don't, and if they do, they get a comm out of it.

As much as I used to hate healers dpsing because alot of them take it too far, don't know when to quit and let people die.. It really irks me to see healers standing around.. So yes, DPS! Healer DPSing is really too strong for its own good

The healer came off as a bit of a jerk, but they're absolutely right; they're taking advantage of their entire toolkit to meet their minimum role requirements as well as making monsters die faster. If you're a tank and don't even use one of the many defensive cooldowns you have, you're a pretty crappy tank. Healers are not there to babysit or carry you.