thank you for Mentor system

I think they need to rework the prerequisites for DoW/DoM. They basically generalized it instead of creating specific mentors, ex. Tank mentor, Healer mentor and DPS mentor. The requirements are also way too low for veteran players. If anything, the prerequisites should be like this.

Tank Senpai
-2 out of 3 tanks must be level 60
-800+ Commendations
-Achieved at least one "But somebody's gotta do it (tank job)"
-1000 instanced trials and dungeons

Healer Senpai
-2 out of 3 healers must be level 60
-500+ commendations
-Achieved "The Kindness of Strangers IV"
-1000 instanced trials or dungeons

Melee DPS Senpai
-2 out of 3 melee dps must be level 60
-300+ commendations
-Defeat the "Stone, Sky, Sea" training dummies on hardest difficulty.
-1000 instanced trials and dungeons

Ranged DPS Senpai
-2 out of 4 ranged dps must be level 60
-300+ commendations
-Defeat the "Stone, Sky, Sea" training dummies on hardest difficulty
-1000 instanced trials and dungeons

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Originally Posted by Marxam

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I really like this idea. Its structured much better.

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Originally Posted by Youkulm

I really like this idea. Its structured much better.

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The only one I have issue with is "Kindness of Strangers IV". I raise everyone I encounter if I can but there's just nowhere near enough to get that achievement as party & alliance don't count.

As for the DoL/H requirements - why do I need to have a lvl60 crafter to show someone how to gather? My "main" class has arguably always been Miner as it was first to lvl50 (when my ACN was low 30s!) & is something I really enjoy.

I'm unlikely ever get a tank to lvl60 so I guess mentoring will have to stay the same way I do it now.

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Originally Posted by Darkstride

The only issue with it is that Summoners get Scholar by default, which requires no healing experience.

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They said it is Achievement based.

For example, there is an Achievement for 300 Commendations, we're going to need that. There is also an Achievement for 1,000 dungeons, raids, or trial runs.

With that in mind, you do not get Summoner and Scholar together by default. You'll need to get the Achievement "Soul Summoner II" for this to count, which makes absolute sense, since that is the only Achievement that ensures you've unlocked all of Summoners skills and suggests you've actually played the Job somewhat (though I wouldn't call the quests a real test). You don't get "Flying Colors II" together with that, you have to actively go out and unlock Scholar to do those quests for that Achievement.

As for why they want people to have everything done... To ensure there are people to explain stuff? We're getting a special chat channel for Mentors, after all. If you separate all the Mentors by role, then given some roles are more popular than others, we're going to end up with, for example, a lot of DPS Mentors and very few Tank Mentors. By saying Mentors need to play both DPS and Tank (and Healer, plus Crafting and Gathering), you ensure that every Mentor is able to at least touch on the subject. I might not be the worlds best Healer, but I've leveled Healers, I can explain the basics and where to get quests/what Classes to level, etc. If I'm the only Mentor online at a given time, I can explain to new players all the roles. If I became a Mentor solely off DPS (or solely off Gathering), there is no reason to assume I'd know anything other than DPS. Any novice Healers/Tanks (or Crafters) would not be able to receive much help from me.

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Originally Posted by Marxam

-Defeat the "Stone, Sky, Sea" training dummies on hardest difficulty.

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Going to have to disagree with this. That isn't what Mentors are about.

Mentors are meant to help out new players. Someone who can help out with the odd instance (having role variety is a massive plus to that), explain the basics like what important quests there are and what other Classes to think about leveling.

A Lv1 Thaumaturge fresh out the opening cutscene isn't even going to know Black Mage is a thing, much less care about its proper rotation. The only help they're going to need is with the odd quest, and what kind of requirements they'll need going forward (level Archer so you can unlock Black Mage at Lv30, for example). They don't need someone explaining Black Mages perfect rotation to them, because they are weeks or months off even unlocking Fire IV. They need someone to explain the basics, not someone to explain the current endgame meta.

Having Lv60 Tank/Healer/DPS Jobs means I can help out in any situation and know how the Job system works. Having plenty of instance runs under my belt ensures I have a basic understanding of most content. Commendations is the weakest requirement, since Tanks/Healers can say nothing and be showered in Commendations, but the Commendation requirement is meant to suggest you're somewhat helpful/friendly.

Mentors are not meant to improve everyones playstyle, they're meant to help out new players. If you want something to improve the plethora of terrible players this game has, I'd suggest making "Stone, Sky, Sea" a MSQ requirement in some way (same way Guildhests ended up in the MSQ?), or at least rewarding. When they said it had no rewards in the Live Letter, I instantly knew it was a failed piece of content. Nobody how needs to use that thing to realize they need to improve their rotation is going to use it, since it is entirely optional. "Stone, Sky, Sea" is the perfect tool for getting people to "git gud", but sadly the developers aren't forcing it on people... You know what would work great? Slap Unidentified items as a reward. Bam. Suddenly Anima weapons are an easy grind if you're good. Relics become less about a dull grind and more about proving you're good. On "Stone, Sky, Sea" you can prove you have what it takes to clear Alexander, for example, and for that you get a Relic. You perhaps can't clear Alexander, because the hardest part of raids in this game isn't the raids themselves, but finding a solid static to work with, but "Stone, Sky, Sea" proves you can push enough DPS to clear Faust 2.0, for example.

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Originally Posted by Culfinrandir

The only one I have issue with is "Kindness of Strangers IV". I raise everyone I encounter if I can but there's just nowhere near enough to get that achievement as party & alliance don't count.

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I agree. Raising random people doesn't really indicate anything about someone's skill as a healer.

There are a lot of people that would be more than capable to help others with a specific role even if they don't have all roles at 60. The reason why they can't be mentors is given in the post I quoted:

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Must have one job from each role (Tank/DPS/Healer) at level 60.
It’s set up in a way so that the player can offer advice for each role.

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So when a noob in a dungeon or out in the world asks a mentor for help with healing, the mentor will have a healer at 60 with 100% certainty. Hopefully the SCH/SMN issue will be dealt with by requiring at least the job quests to be completed.

Marxam's suggestion isn't bad but it got me thinking. If we had 4 "Senpais", how would they be easily distinguished from one another so noobs get the help they need from the people who are supposed to be able to give it? Asking 5 different "mentors" about how to WHM before actually finding one who can help doesn't sound very fun. It kind of defeats the whole purpose of mentors tbh. Maybe they could have a role-specific title or a color coded crown? But then the people who could offer help in 3 out of 4 roles have to pick between the icons. Now we have a situation where it might take the noob longer than necessary to find a mentor of the right role. And this isn't even taking into account Crafter Senpais and Gatherer Senpais! I have a feeling it would end up as an overly convoluted system which would further confuse the already confused noobs. SE propably had this scenario in mind when designing the mentor system and went with the option that best serves the interests of the people it's supposed to help.

Account-wide progress would be good though, but I have a feeling there would be some technical difficulties. There aren't any account wide achievements at the moment are there? The only thing account wide I can think of are the rewards that get posted to you via moogle mail, but they don't actually track what you have done on other characters. Those rewards are based on the "achievements" of your service account, like paying a sub, buying a CE or generating friend codes.

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Originally Posted by CyrilLucifer

I agree. Raising random people doesn't really indicate anything about someone's skill as a healer.

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Unfortunately there aren't any other healer specific achievements (unless you want to count the level 30 CNJ side quest that gives you a unicorn maybe?). I mean, in theory healers could also have the requirement to kill the striking dummy on the hardest difficulty as well, but that also doesn't show healing.

I think the idea behind Marxam suggesting the achievement was it says, "I play healer often enough that I've been able to help random players even though it may not benefit me". It's easy to argue that the achievement is flawed because being on a SMN or a PLD with Raise cross-classed (which is usable as long as you're not in combat) count toward the achievement as well. However, similar can be said about the tank achievements as they can now be farmed very quickly in level 60 tank-only t4 farms without actually needing much skill to play the class.

I think he's on the right track, but with the achievements we have now there isn't really much else he could have chosen from.

the issue is that even if u know everything about lets say BLM , and some1 ask about MCH? ...that u havent even unlocked :/

i guess this mentors arent "job mentors" and more like "role mentors" , as tank u need to use CD to mitigate this , invul for that , as healer u need to burst heal after X , or AoE heal after Y .....

I'm also concerned about the job requirement. As I mentioned, I have experience healing and I want to take part in the system for new healers. If I were to level say, a paladin to 60, that does not guarantee I'm qualified to teach tanking to newbies. A SMN can't really teach a MNK how to be a good dps, for that matter.

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Originally Posted by Culfinrandir

The only one I have issue with is "Kindness of Strangers IV". I raise everyone I encounter if I can but there's just nowhere near enough to get that achievement as party & alliance don't count.

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Guess you could always get your FC or a group together to voluntarily drop while out of party you raise them one after another? We already know if this is a viable option other people are gonna do it anyway.