Why Avoid Parry?

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Originally Posted by Nektulos-Tuor

So, where is the source showing all three tanks testing at 0, 100, 200, 300, 400, 500, 600, 700, 800+ parry?

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If you were paying attention: bluegartr forums (no I am not going to google for you). It's impossible to test at 0, however. Or any value below the base.

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Originally Posted by Risvertasashi

If you were paying attention: bluegartr forums (no I am not going to google for you). It's impossible to test at 0, however. Or any value below the base.

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Not really impossible. Take off all of your gear and put on a parryless low level weapon and let a monster beat on you with a program running. You will die a lot yes, however you will get data.

Because if you can survive whatever it is you're fighting, why would you need to stack even more parry to "survive" it more (not possible) when you can just stack more damage and damage it more (completely possible) thus killing it quicker.

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Originally Posted by Kosmos992k

Hmmmm?

Actually, what I said was that if superior DPS == tanking, then I'm gone. There's no need to repeat your arguments, I read them, and I'm not disagreeing with them, or arguing the apparent facts about the current meta. I signed up to play a tank, not DPS. Tanks in my view are protectors, not damage dealers. You can feel 'right' all you want in your argument, but do not belittle people who want to actually play tank, and not dps.

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You signed up to be a tank? Is tanking even your main class?
Most real full time tanks know there's only so much tanking you can do, once you can tank said content without dying anyone with a brain knows you then use your remaining time/effort dpsing

You can roleplay all you want as that noble holy paladin who swore an oath to the sword and board and will lay his life on the line to protect his comrades and save the princess and that's fine it doesn't change the reality that you have a job that needs to be executed efficiently which is eliminating a threat quickly which I will get done by maximizing my DPS and making everyone in my group's lives a little easier. You can choose to be lazy and RP getting by doing minimal DPS, that's fine, but personally I'm going to stick with the guy who understands his job is not only surviving/holding the boss in place but also killing the fucker asap

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Originally Posted by Nektulos-Tuor

Not really impossible. Take off all of your gear and put on a parryless low level weapon and let a monster beat on you with a program running. You will die a lot yes, however you will get data.

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This will still leave you with around 354 parry.

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Originally Posted by Nektulos-Tuor

Not really impossible. Take off all of your gear and put on a parryless low level weapon and let a monster beat on you with a program running. You will die a lot yes, however you will get data.

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Parry cannot go below 354. That's the base.

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Originally Posted by Risvertasashi

This will still leave you with around 354 parry.

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I meant parry from gear, not base.

Your trying to find the value of getting "parry from gear". Meaning to test you have to add 100 after the base, then 200 after the base.

The entire argument is trying to find out how much parry from gear gets you.

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Originally Posted by dank1

**a great example of why people don't like tanks in this game**

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Did it ever cross your mind that people play for many different reasons and do not treat this game as an exercise in math and efficiency?

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Originally Posted by Kosmos992k

Did it ever cross your mind that people play for many different reasons and do not treat this game as an exercise in math and efficiency?

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Going pure defensive and just holding threat really isn't that hard to do. I can do that watching a movie at the same time. I would have no reason to play a tank class because that just sounds extremely lazy and boring. I had to group with several tanks like that already. If a Warrior or Dark Knight plays like that, they usually are less survivable then ones who focus on DPS because they have overall less sustain, and most don't even actively use their defensive moves often.

However, trying to deal as much damage as possible while tanking is both fun, active, rewarding, challenging.

Most full defensive tanks I meet, pretty much do their threat combo and stack high vit and never use defensive moves. Some don't even avoid AOEs. Its almost like they are watching Netflix more then playing the game.

I mean, sure that probably sounds fun to you but its really not that hard.

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Originally Posted by Nektulos-Tuor

Going pure defensive and just holding threat really isn't that hard to do. I can do that watching a movie at the same time. I would have no reason to play a tank class because that just sounds extremely lazy and boring. I had to group with several tanks like that already. If a Warrior or Dark Knight plays like that, they usually are less survivable then ones who focus on DPS because they have overall less sustain, and most don't even actively use their defensive moves often.

However, trying to deal as much damage as possible while tanking is both fun, active, rewarding, challenging.

Most full defensive tanks I meet, pretty much do their threat combo and stack high vit and never use defensive moves. Some don't even avoid AOEs. Its almost like they are watching Netflix more then playing the game.

I mean, sure that probably sounds fun to you but its really not that hard.

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Thank you for this, most str based tanks play better overall than those who stack vit spam their 123 aggro rotation because they have to.
Being full str means you have to increase your survivability to full levels by using cooldowns.
Being full str also means you more than likely care about your dps which means you will put in effort into your combos to pump out damage and not play lazily, all this will amount to better aggro management and survivability because we all know a dead tank cant dps, why would we risk dying and wiping the party?

The people who are against tanks dpsing usually have a one track mind and believe there's only 2 diff types of tanks, those who want to tank or want to dps so they to fit into a certain mold. They fail to realize that this is a game where a party all has the same common goal, you need to be versatile to complete and said goals and put the party's interest before your own wants and conceptions of what a class should or shouldnt do