Time on House removal/reclaming is way to short! (private houseing)

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10-23-2015, 04:56 AM
Youkulm

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Originally Posted by Maddonious

Not all of us can be no lifers. Also a thing called finances come up, you know, things adults manage. Your wrong cause its not every other month, its every month and a half (which is extremely awkward).

So I happen to want to take a break for a few months, i've been known to do this plenty in previous MMOs but I still have to pay a sub just to keep my in game house?

Also 45 days is not "incredibly generous". All you care about is getting a house for yourself as soon as possible and not looking at the view from those who actually see this as an issue.

I wouldn't make assumptions about other people's lives ( I have taken months off at a time )... I'm sorry but my issue is this: I have no sympathy for people with personal housing. I'm in an FC so I can take a break and I'll be fine. Personal housing is a luxury as it should be, 45 days as I stated is plenty.

Also you can say or think i'm wrong. All of these... are opinions... including mine. I'm not naive enough to tell people they're wrong about their opinions on this subject.

Despite opinions they announced this was coming months ago. It's about time c:
10-23-2015, 04:59 AM
Nashred

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Originally Posted by Maddonious

Not all of us can be no lifers. Also a thing called finances come up, you know, things adults manage. Your wrong cause its not every other month, its every month and a half (which is extremely awkward).

So I happen to want to take a break for a few months, i've been known to do this plenty in previous MMOs but I still have to pay a sub just to keep my in game house?

Also 45 days is not "incredibly generous". All you care about is getting a house for yourself as soon as possible and not looking at the view from those who actually see this as an issue.

The other issue is this wont solve the issue, the few houses this is going to free up is not going to do squat for the thousands of players who want houses.

But personally it seems pretty selfish of people to want others too loose their houses they worked and paid for just so they can have a house.

Again those who have de-subbed for a long time I understand.

Personally I want to buy a house on our server since we cant really share a house but I am not going to for even minute think it is ok for someone to take away someones house who is still pay subscription fees. Another thing SE messed up on what ever happened to sharing a house which would actually help more than this.
10-23-2015, 05:10 AM
Skybourne

I think the least they could do is impliment a basic room/house available as a default living quarters like how it was in FFXI or hell, give me the option to increase my room size in the FC and I won't even care about having personal housing. I'm sure many people would at least be happy with that and then allow the ones who do own a house have it for longer, I'd say a year unsubbed would be a sufficient timer (though I'm sure those people would say otherwise).
10-23-2015, 05:16 AM
Malicewolf

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Originally Posted by Maddonious

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I see the issue you guys are posing. It's that you want to "take a break". You can. But if you do, guess what? SE has no obligation to cater to you when you are not willing to cater to them either. You can say "but they are a business and they should WANT MY business!" all you want, but they WANT your money. Because they are a business (and that's sorta what business's do).

As for the "adult" argument. If you come into hard times, then yes, that sure does stink. You should be focusing on getting back up and should stop your sub. But there is no specific time frame for how long it'll be before you get another job NOR if the job will give you a substantial amount of money to be able to start a sub again. I was unemployed for 8 months a while back. If I had a house in FFXIV, I'd be upset, but I would also understand why I lost my house when I got back. I was gone for an extended period of time AND I wasn't paying. I'll work my way back up just like I did with my life. I'd honestly be glad that I wasn't simply wasting space that's very limited.

As for "no lifers"... dude. Once every 45 days. Not hard. That's not a "no lifer". Don't be like that.

We aren't looking to "steal your houses". We want to see those not being used opened up. 45 days is plenty of time to log in once and enter the house. Heck, you can even turn the game off after entering if you can't take the extra 5 seconds to turn around and exit too.

The simple fact is, that this is the housing situation on this game. They are a small and limited commodity. This makes them high value and (as we can see by all of you arguing) very precious to people. However, they DO give functions that can only be done at houses. Everyone wants their chance to do something with it. Yes, it would be awesome if everyone could just have one and then choose to use it or not. But they didn't do that. Now they're telling you, use it, or lose it. If you feel you can't muster up the ability to log in once in 45 days or wish to take a half year's break before coming back, then I suggest you start clearing inventory space for your furniture and prepare to sell your house instead. When you come back, you can find a new place with the couple mil you got. The cycle will continue to take houses from people who quit or "took a break".

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Originally Posted by Nashred

Another thing SE messed up on what ever happened to sharing a house which would actually help more than this.

Now that I can agree on. There should be some sort of feature to allow sharing a "personal" house with whomever you want. Even if you have to pay something to be able to do that. Heck, I'd pay "rent" per month ingame to have the shared space. It would help alleviate the issue a lot more.

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Originally Posted by Skybourne

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Yea, i'm one of those people who think that's too long, BUT allowing for expansion of room sizes in FC would be a great idea too.
10-23-2015, 05:31 AM
Skybourne

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Originally Posted by Malicewolf

Yea, i'm one of those people who think that's too long, BUT allowing for expansion of room sizes in FC would be a great idea too.

Yeah I can understand that being too long, it's was really just a random time to throw out there, would still say two maybe 3 months would be more appropriate for unsubbed users and double that for a subbed account, just a thought.
10-23-2015, 05:34 AM
Malicewolf

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Originally Posted by Skybourne

Yeah I can understand that being too long, it's was really just a random time to throw out there, would still say two maybe 3 months would be more appropriate for unsubbed users and double that for a subbed account, just a thought.

Could deal with that honestly. The most important thing is to clear out those who quit/have no intent of coming back and keep a cycle going to clear out the stream of those leaving who own houses. I personally don't think 45 days is too short, but if it was 60, 75 or 90, I wouldn't care that much either.
10-23-2015, 05:35 AM
Nashred

It is not about being a lifer. Some people can not get on every 45 days like people in the Service. Now they can not even pay the sub fee to keep their house.
This wont fix the housing issue.
I want my own house but I wont even for a minute think it is right to take something away from those who are paying for it.
Pretty selfish.
Next people are going to cry people have more money than they do and are not using it and SE should take it away and give it too them.
Its different for people not paying a sub. Once you stop you give up rights.
10-23-2015, 05:37 AM
Maddonious

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Originally Posted by Malicewolf

As for the "adult" argument. If you come into hard times, then yes, that sure does stink. You should be focusing on getting back up and should stop your sub.

I can't have a hobby I enjoy to relax?

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Originally Posted by Malicewolf

As for "no lifers"... dude. Once every 45 days. Not hard. That's not a "no lifer". Don't be like that.

To late, I already am like that. What about those on military leave?

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Originally Posted by Malicewolf

We aren't looking to "steal your houses". We want to see those not being used opened up. 45 days is plenty of time to log in once and enter the house. Heck, you can even turn the game off after entering if you can't take the extra 5 seconds to turn around and exit too.

You may not be but others certainly are. They can't wait for others to get kicked out so they can snatch up a house even if that person put a ton of effort into the house. They are selfish.

Also gotta give you credit, you caught us home owners. Your sherlocking skills really figured it all out. How did a few of you guys know that it was that dam loading screen that caused all our concern. Oh man you guys are really digging hard for evidence, can't stop laughing at how stupid 5 second loading screen issue is and those that bring it up.

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Originally Posted by Malicewolf

The simple fact is, that this is the housing situation on this game. They are a small and limited commodity. This makes them high value and (as we can see by all of you arguing) very precious to people. However, they DO give functions that can only be done at houses. Everyone wants their chance to do something with it. Yes, it would be awesome if everyone could just have one and then choose to use it or not. But they didn't do that. Now they're telling you, use it, or lose it. If you feel you can't muster up the ability to log in once in 45 days or wish to take a half year's break before coming back, then I suggest you start clearing inventory space for your furniture and prepare to sell your house instead. When you come back, you can find a new place with the couple mil you got. The cycle will continue to take houses from people who quit or "took a break".

Ok sure but I don't remember at all when housing was first announced that i would lose the house that I acquired. That they would not be adding more, ever. Never once was I told "hey, just be aware you may not keep this house in the future". All these things about the houses being taken are recent and therefore don't fall into the realm of "fair". No other MMO does this so why did we think FFXIV would?
10-23-2015, 05:49 AM
Malicewolf

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Originally Posted by Nashred

It is not about being a lifer. Some people can not get on every 45 days like people in the Service. Now they can not even pay the sub fee to keep their house.
This wont fix the housing issue.
I want my own house but I wont even for a minute think it is right to take something away from those who are paying for it.
Pretty selfish.
Next people are going to cry people have more money than they do and are not using it and SE should take it away and give it too them.

Money isn't really comparable as there is always a stream of gil income available. Houses on the otherhand are limited.

And in regards to military. Yes, that is inconvenient for those deployed in a warzone, naval ship, or 3rd world country. But here's the thing about those.
1. Deployment into a warzone can range by a LOT. You could be there for a month, you could be there for a year or more. Military will always have this inconvenience, but it's something they know they have to live with. Do you know what else they have to deal with? Being deployed in a warzone when their baby is born, or taking their first steps, or if a family member dies. I think they can handle losing their virtual house. However, if somehow it isn't, they usually still have access to a phone or internet to ask someone to please log in for 2 seconds if they are still subbing. It's inconvenient, but there is no way to cater to this scenario of being in a warzone (not to mention the risk of death). And please do not think I'm being unreasonable, or unsupportive to military. Most of my family has been in or is currently in the military. I have sponsored midshipmen for nearly a decade and they have become like family to us. And I have unfortunately even had to deal with losing one of them.
2. Deployment on a naval ship (or submarine) is usually a longer deployment. These are usually trips out at sea for many months. 3 months would actually be a very short trip on a ship based deployment. However, they do dock within the timeframe as well. Once again, not easy to cater to without basically giving them unlimited time with no guarantee they will even want to come back and play.
3. 3rd world country. You drew the short end of the straw on deployments. Really inconvenient.

The other remaining deployments are usually a station which last for quite a while. Usually years. In these, you usually get a place to live and have internet. It's really not an excuse for not being able to log on. Majority of the midshipmen my family sponsored are in this circumstance. Most in the states, few in Japan. While I may not be in the military, I have been surrounded by it my entire life and am a bit touchy that people are using that and "diseases" as the main excuse for why this is a horrible update. Majority of you arguing about those are not even in those circumstances. I've heard multiple people with illness's come out and say "45 days is plenty". I've yet to hear any military members poke their heads up and say this is a huge inconvenience to them.

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Originally Posted by Maddonious

Ok sure but I don't remember at all when housing was first announced that i would lose the house that I acquired. That they would not be adding more, ever. Never once was I told "hey, just be aware you may not keep this house in the future". All these things about the houses being taken are recent and therefore don't fall into the realm of "fair". No other MMO does this so why did we think FFXIV would?

SE could also go bankrupt, have to shut down all their servers and every single person here would lose much more than their house. I'm sure they wouldn't announce to you a heads up if that were happening either (granted,this is very unlikely to happen, but FFXIV doesn't have to announce everything they will do in the future. Things change. Remember that sweater you liked 5 years ago and now think is ugly?
10-23-2015, 05:58 AM
Kinseykinz

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Originally Posted by Maddonious

Not see the main issue tho? What if I spent months building up my house then had to step out do to overplaying and becoming exhausted, I want to take a 2 month break to cram in things i've missed the past year bingeing on this game.

That 45 day limit forces you to pay a sub each month-ish just so you can keep your house you spent 10m/40m/60m on> (like I said, extortion). No other MMO does that!

I'm a very active player and have been since launch but when fatigue comes in and I need a break that means i'll lose millions just like that If I don't get back on when they say? They need to raise the limit to 90 days cause that house took more then a month to build up and i'll be dammed if I lose it in a fraction of the time.

The thing is some gamers like variety, they can't just play the same game each day every month till it dies out so they have to play it in bursts.

You get all your non-rare stuff+ 80% of your gil back. More than fair.

Another way of looking at it: If you took a 3 month break and didn't have a house, you wouldn't expect your gear to still be current or have value right? And every piece of gear you buy in game, once used=no money back right? So really, they are being kind in giving you back as much as they are with housing when you took a break.

Heck, you could even take advantage of this new system to get your gil back from a house if you ever wanted to upgrade or needed the gil for something. Yes, it'd mean not using your home for 45 days, and you'd have to wait...but people could purposefully use this as a way of regaining much of their investment to move up, or invest in their character in a different way.

And this of course, only would happen to you if you stopped playing/using the house for 3+ months. It'd also only happen if no one else you share the home with accesses it in the same time. (Being able to share personal homes w/ up to 5 people is inc....so really, if you know you need to go on an extended break, allow a trusted friend who's going to continue to play access to your home...even if it's on their alt=problem solved)

This is the fairest way for SE to make sure all resources are used by paying customers, limit the need for extra wards, and yet, still give more people the option for homes. Also, this is step 1 of their multiple step housing system fix/upgrade. But there is no reason for SE to waste resources on non paying customers. It's bad business actually.

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