I am a bad tank coz i use vit(tank) gear!

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Originally Posted by SpookyGhost

There is a very tricky balance to optimizing yourself as a tank. It is not strictly about being able to take hits, but being able to maximize every aspect of your job without harming the others.

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So basically how much a tank can screw around without getting the raid wiped. That's what I did when I tanked WoW LFR in dps spec. Its not exactly the right way to go about tanking tho, and only possible because of massive outgearing.

But atleast I could justify that because outgearing allowed me to do 5 times the dps of the average player (ilvl) the LFR was really ment for, and that did level of dps really did make a difference.
Tanks deal no great dps in this game. Dont make it sound like they do.


To me it really seems like half the community's tanks used to play WoW and was that guy who was always forced to tank but really wanted to play his dps spec instead.

There's a delightful irony with people posting that this should have been put in the thread this discussion spawned from but instead quite a few of you parrot the same thing and bump this thread up. As a result, it gets more attention.

I just feel like being silly and pointing that out, don't mind me!

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Originally Posted by Aeyis

Tanks deal no great dps in this game. Dont make it sound like they do.

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Good tanks deal more deeps than the average DPS in this game.

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Originally Posted by Aeyis

Tanks deal no great dps in this game. Dont make it sound like they do.

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Any good WAR would love to have a word with you.
WARs atm outdps so many average guys it is starting to be embarrassing.

What's the point if having extra HP, if you and your healers are perfectly comfortable with less? Of course tanking is the main role you have to pull, but why put obsolete stats into Vitality if you don't need them, when you could also be pulling DPS and gaining more enmity?

Slotting to Strength and Vit both have their places. Outside the hardcore raid/df hero scenarios however, slotting to Strength is usually more beneficial.

Anyone disagreeing with slotting Strength ever must like playing their role sub-par. There's a reason, why Wars that can hold aggro, survive AND deal 900+ dps are better than the ones that can only do the tanking and slap 400dps.

Some tanks are not comfortable with using full strength accessories and that doesn't make them a bad tank. It also puts more pressure on the healers. Tanks are each to their own. You're not a bad tank just because you're not DPSing amazingly. If they can hold aggro, use their cooldowns correctly and basically do what a tank is supposed to do, let them use whatever stats they want.

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Originally Posted by Kiyashi

No b/c that VIT bad tank can't hold hate properly. Having a bad tank in general is bad.

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I don't think so, if you need str to hold hate at least semi-consistently then you're on another level of bad. I doubt str would save you at that point- and at least not dying would be better. (Just hate spam, only time it might not work is when you are out ilvled by a significant margin)

While we don't want either I still stand by bad vit > bad str. Let's have neither tho? Lol. It isn't purely determinable by healer in a positive direction, bad tank may not use def cool downs so a good healer may still be sol on a less hp tank- and a bad healer needs a bigger buffer. So in the healer case as well when everyone is bad, sleepy, new, under geared, or wants a nice steady tortoise run* go vit, xD. * may not be faster but less concerned about "will we finish this?".

The person who said the healer would still have to heal = same, similar disagreement. The extra hp would keep them alive easier which means less weakness which means way better tank in stat form. (Weakness especially stacked will make you a worse tank than just living)

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Originally Posted by StrejdaTom

I always had hard time understanding why lvl 60 tank with ilvl 180 should have VIT accessories in dungeons, unless he wants to make the run longer to enjoy the trash and generic bosses.
But yeah, I won't flame tank in dungeon only because he has VIT gear even if it isn't neccessary.

... On the other hand during static raid the tank better git gut or git lost. xD

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VIT tanks in dungeons, because a healers AOE DPS will spank a STR tank anyday. so you're making the dungeon run longer because tanks want to see MOAR dps and keeping the healer glued to your health bar :rolleyes:

BUT if a healer wants to go lazy mode and only heal than by all means go full strenght and make that healer, heal :P

i like to have str accessories mainly for fun. i also like to dps on my sch, but i noticed if i let my warrior go deliverance with full str he can do 700 dps ( more than my 400 if i keep some dots up durring fight ), i think this game give us many options to try different things, what ever ur static is comfortable trying to do, but for sure to get hate or such because u prefer VIT is not right, str tank is a situational thing. also rememeber we dont have savage yet so whatever we are doing now is trivial, that incudes those extreme primals.

Since we're on a pointless, opinion-based topic from another forum:

Should healers DPS?

Same argument, same sides, different roles...