What is Carve and Spit for?

Carve and Spit

Pros:
Restores mana
Has high potency when used in conjunction with Dark Arts
Off global cooldown
Sweet visuals

Cons:
The amount of mana returned is abysmal for a 1 min cooldown. It returns roughly around 860 to 900 mana
Base potency is 100 potency
It takes 1700+ mana to DA+C&S

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Originally Posted by Calib0s

It absolutely does matter how much it restores. Using CAS for MP specifically WON'T give you the mana do another drain. It will get you a single unleashed, but you would need 5+ targets for it to overcome using DA + CAS...

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I'll take another look at this when I've got more time. You're probably right here, but I'd want to think about this a little more.

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Originally Posted by Calib0s

Once again, you're ignoring the opportunity cost here. This isn't a gain over waiting for your TP to restore so you can do your single target combo. TP is regenerated every 3 seconds, so Unmend would have to do more than 190 potency in order to overcome this [226 (average potency per GCD from a Delirium combo) - 36 (The amount of average combo potency lost by waiting an additional .5 seconds per attack)]. You can also be gaining MP from Siphon Strike during this time. Even if you went for multiple rotations like this and delayed Carve and Spit in order to have enough mana to use DA on it, you would come out ahead over using it to restore MP and spam Unmend / Unleashed.

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But you're looking at this wrong. If you use an unmend, then you don't have to wait .5seconds for the next set of attacks. Let's say you've got enough TP, with regen, that you can execute 5 attacks over the next 6 GCD. Now, you can either wait for TP to regen and only execute 5 attacks OR you lead with unmend and you then get unmend + 5 TP based attacks. Since you're TP starved and can't execute any more normal attacks, the unmend becomes "free", at least in terms of time spent on the attack, since it doesn't hinder your already slowed method of normal GCD attack execution. At this point the only consideration is mana. If you're also running low on mana, you have to prioritize, and for damage done / mana spent, unmend and free unleashes win.

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Originally Posted by Jayjohn

Carve and Spit
Cons:

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the name is also kind of silly

The MP return amount is the same as Syphon. IE half the cost of Dark Arts.

Foregoing a DrkArt buff CnS for the MP regain - in 99.99% of situations - is a poor move.

DrkArt buffed CnS +350 potency.
DrkArt buffed SE +140 potency
DrkArt buffed Passenger +100 potency
DrkArt buffed AD +0 potency

And again CnS unbuffed is only refueling half the MP cost - so it's not giving you a 'free' Dark Arts until the second (2minutes) - and you sacrificed 700 potency to get it.

.. and 700 potency lost is very sad when all you're getting for it is an extra +100,+140,HP drain, or weak enmity mod, etc..

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Originally Posted by Rover1983

Not saying its useless, just saying it was implemented in an odd way. No ties to any abilities, off GCD(Which is welcome) but it just seems like a "random" ability for the lvl 60 skill.

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Na not ye, that was more aimed at the OP. But yeah CAS is a very handy skill that true dose not have a specif time to use it, it is one of those skills that you should use as soon as it's back up, the more time you leave it the the less MP you'll regain over time.

I find it horrifyingly underwhelming for our lvl 60 milestone (currently capstone) ability, but it has its uses. I kinda wish other abilities in our kit were more like it relative to Dark Arts, where it isn't a buff, it's a function change. Think it would've made our overall kit more interesting. (assuming said functions were worth the MP cost of DA, ofc). I also kinda wish that it gave more MP than Syphon, then using DA on it would feel like a more meaningful choice. As it is, I generally don't need it for MP regen I'm usually in a good place MP wise when it comes off CD so damage all the way.

What would make this ability complete is to keep the 100 potency and add the three hits to the ability. keep the mp regen with each hit for a substantial mp gain. And for the DA ability keep the ability the same but just adding the three hits without having the ability to crit

Honestly it should be three different attacks for 90 potency each, each restoring mana with no Dark Art thing.

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Originally Posted by Rhaja

Just a bunch of damage off the GCD, or a way to get back some MP.

Welcome to the complete kit of DRK, where we have a bunch of stuff that just doesn't seem to have a common theme.

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the theme is edgy, cool darkness

/HairFlip

Warrior's lvl 60 ability isn't great and Paladin is only great in the context of "PLD has no damage combo". C&S should probably return more mana but conceptually the idea of having an OGC ability that you can choose to use as either a mana battery or the highest potency attack that DRK has seems fine to me.

I don't see the problem here? It's 100 pot off the gcd. It costs nothing, does damage, gives mp, and doesn't even cockblock a gcd. That's like asking what's the point of drgs jump. It's a off gcd attack that does damage. What's the point of spirits within? (Nothing of value can be silenced anymore anyway).

Pros and cons? Really?

Pro: it does all the stuff I said.
con: nothing because it's a free instant ability that does beneficial stuff with no downside.

It's a move that costs litterally nothing, gives mp, does damage, and has the option to be paired with DA to become the highest instant damage ability in the game. Wtf are you people moaning about?