Thoughts on level 60 scholar ability?

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Originally Posted by Shikiseki

In Alexander, this very skill saved raids quite often although it's true that's only because there were enough mess-ups to begin with. I still think that the punishment for using it is a bit too harsh. I could live with it perfectly if the opposite fairy appears at the end of the effect. But calling it one of the most powerful nymian magicks when divine seal is better in every way. ... no wonder the nymians failed haha

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Ideally, there should never be a situation where this skill should ever be relied on to save a party at Alexander's current difficulty.

If it is, that would be a combination of several other ill reasons for the raid. SCH not choosing approriate times to use aetherflow abilities or over use, not relying on the other healer to pick up slack or other healer just failing, tanks with improper CD use and/or DPS taking unnecessary damage which diverts healers attention.

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Originally Posted by Blessedbythesun

Ideally, there should never be a situation where this skill should ever be relied on to save a party at Alexander's current difficulty.

If it is, that would be a combination of several other ill reasons for the raid. SCH not choosing appropriate times to use aetherflow abilities or over use, not relying on the other healer to pick up slack or other healer just failing, tanks with improper CD use and/or DPS taking unnecessary damage which diverts healers attention.

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I guess you've been quite lucky with DF - Alexander then it seems ;P - Granted, there was no other way I could possibly save the tanks so this move is really a last resort for desperate measures to somehow save the raid. (it could be better though like most of the people already said in this thread) Even though it's very borderline useful as in such situations, it's better to just wipe most of the time.

Here's another idea: what if it gave 6 stacks? And using dissipation was the only way to get stack size up to 6? Then you would have potentially 12 lustrates on demand

One thing to consider, is that using Energy Drain twice will give you the mana to summon the pet, but you get three stacks of aetherflow.

Also, if you sacrifice, er, dissipate the fairy while whispering dawn is running, you wont really miss her heals as much. You'll still get 21s of regen, so there is really only 9 or 10 seconds without support from the pet.

With Fey Illumination, then whispering dawn, then dissipate, Adlo is far more potent. I've had well over 5k crits with it (which is a 10k galvanize).

In Alexander, since accuracy requirements are so low, you wont miss with energy drain, so its a fairly safe bet to eat the fairy and burn a few energy drains to get a net gain of mana out of it. However in Ravana, (and even some of the L60 dungeons), accuracy is a concern, as Energy Drain can miss.

Not sure why people are hating on this skill... You can pop all your pet's cooldown then dissipate it. You get all the buffs plus a full aetherflow stack and increased healing. I would take more stacks of aetherflow any day over 30 seconds of fairy healing (which is roughly 7 heals i think, even less if the fairy is on follow and is moving around). I use this skill regularly since I tend to dps often (3 times on ravana) and because of the fact that it gives you more room to use your healing utilities since you get more stacks/mp out of it.

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Originally Posted by Fricca

Not sure why people are hating on this skill...

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Because it's bad for reasons that have been gone over again and again in this thread.

You get a stack of aether ever 60s. Most of the time I'm burning my last charge on a ED to get it back on CD.

If you need extra aetherstacks you should get better at managing them, not use an ability that gimps you for 30s-1min.

Other corrections: 30s is about 10 embraces, and the aether stacks from dissipate do not grant mp.

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Originally Posted by Tashim

One thing to consider, is that using Energy Drain twice will give you the mana to summon the pet, but you get three stacks of aetherflow.

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Per the dev team - the main point is the stacks. If you have to use 2/3 of the stacks on energy drain to justify the hidden mana cost of the ability and the healing potency doesn't make up for the loss of eos/selene then how exactly is this an "emergency healing CD" in any way?

I haven't read this entire thread but I read the first 3 pages and the last page.

I found one good use for it that I never really thought of until I really needed it. When one dies due to a tank not picking up aggro or you make a mistake somehow and die. You are revived. If you're lucky enough to revive with an aetherflow stack and have Swiftcast up as well, Use Aetherflow to get back enough Mana to swiftcast your fairy and be energy draining off GCD of summoning your fairy. Use Energy Drains or Lustrates depending on how well your Secondary healer is doing keeping up with heals, and then after you do this, heals should be more managable for the other healer if he's semi-competent.

Blow your Fairy CDs (I'm hoping you would have picked Eos over Selene for this reason) or at least Rouse + Whispering Dawn as if the current situation is really shaky, you might not have enough time to wait for fairy to use all of her CDs, Then Dissipate for another three stacks and use 1 more for around 4 Energy Drains and your MP Pool by this should be around 5-6k and your Aetherflow will be about half to 3/4s on its way to another use and then your MP will be back. This had to be done during an A4 run as I was hit with three lasers from Carnage.

Dissipation might not be intuitive but I find it is the best way to recover your mana, at post 170 levels my mana went from 0 being revived using Aetherflow and 6 stacks of Energy Drain from the first Aetherflow through the 3 stacks Dissipation gives you to over 8k Mana. This is the strength of Dissipation and I don't know if I've seen any other Scholar use it like this. Is there not anyone else who has seen this use for Dissipation?

Yep, it's terrible, and I honestly think (and hope) it's going to be reworked sooner or later. I was thinking, that it would be useful maybe when you died, and are rezzed...you need mana fast...but nope, because you need to explicitly summon your fairy and kill it xD.

Even if your party is taking ridiculous amounts of AOE damage, it won't matter, because you can only indomitability twice every minute and I can't think of a single fight that forces a SCH to say burn 4-5 lustrates in 20 seconds other than that one battle in specific you are not yet familiar with. But who on earth would sacrifice their fairy on a savage turn they are not familiar with lol now that MP management is more a thing than ever? I have 12k mana and an Adloquium costs 1k+ mana (so my total mana is roughly 12 adloquiums). Back in T13 at level 50, I'd have around 5400 mana and an adloquium would cost around 300 mana (so around 18 adloquiums...basically, in 3.0, 50% less mana and 50% less mana regeneration, so locking your fairy for the next 30 seconds isn't very bright imo, even more so when the trade off is insultingly poor -20% bugged more healing with unaffected indomitability and lustrate and 3 stacks of aetherflow).

@Miyu20
I'm not a Scholar Main, so I'm not really clear how much MP you regain from Energy Drain at LV 60, and also unclear how much MP is needed to summon the fairy.

But... unless I'm missing something, what you're doing is basically :
1) Revived, use Aetherflow + ED to get enough mp to summon fairy.
2) Pop Fairy CD
3) Eat Fairy to get Aetherflow to.......ED to get back MP????

Why not just try your best to survive with whatever MP you have after your first Aetherflow?
What's the reasoning behind using the MP you recovered to summon your fairy, then eating it, to get Aetherflow to....recover MP?

Is the MP recovered from 3 EDs alot more compared to the MP required to summon a fairy?

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Originally Posted by DreamWeaver

Is the MP recovered from 3 EDs alot more compared to the MP required to summon a fairy?

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Nope, if I remember well you get around 900 MP with one energy drain. Fairy costs 1700+ mana. Best scenario is you land 3 energy drains, kill your own fairy and gain a total of 900 mana while locking out the fairy for the next 30 seconds, not a very good idea imo (in a scenario btw where that fairy is going to be invaluable because regardless your weakness status and your low mana too, she's still going to spam embraces nonstop).