Bards viability now?

This argument seems to go nowhere everytime it happens but ill try here. The fix for both physical ranged dps should be to have the dmg loss built into there jobs be removed there damage should be on par or very very close to other classes but when there support is needed there penalty should be harsher this would solve there dps issue. yes there support is good but your punishment to dmg should be from using it not the option to use it especially with the slew of amazing support every other class has.

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Originally Posted by Miitan

Bards already lose 15% of their dps from singing, why should they lose 25% more just for being a Bard?

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at the point other classes are at (battle litany, goad, etc etc etc.) bard/mch taking 2x dps hits doesn't make any sense. they should be doing the same as everyone else outside of songs/promotion.

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Originally Posted by bideogames

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at the point other classes are at (battle litany, goad, etc etc etc.) bard/mch taking 2x dps hits doesn't make any sense. they should be doing the same as everyone else outside of songs/promotion.

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They aren't able to do this because unlike everyone else, when they are out of song/promotion they can move and attack at once at close and long distance melee range. Meaning they can 24/7 keep dps up with the exception of when they need to perform a mechanic.

There is no way SE is going to leave the situation like this. The job is kind of a mess now and some of the new abilities are worthless.

Every expansion in every MMO ever one or more classes gets shafted by Dev's who don't think through things and then the class gets fixed. It's temporary.

I still think we will get taken on raids for MP regen if nothing else.

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Originally Posted by Lillia

They aren't able to do this because unlike everyone else, when they are out of song/promotion they can move and attack at once at close and long distance melee range. Meaning they can 24/7 keep dps up with the exception of when they need to perform a mechanic.

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This would be a good argument but while WM removes the movement, dps is still far short of every other dps. That's my issue with it.

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Originally Posted by Lillia

They aren't able to do this because unlike everyone else, when they are out of song/promotion they can move and attack at once at close and long distance melee range. Meaning they can 24/7 keep dps up with the exception of when they need to perform a mechanic.

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Not anymore you mean?

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Originally Posted by Lillia

They aren't able to do this because unlike everyone else, when they are out of song/promotion they can move and attack at once at close and long distance melee range. Meaning they can 24/7 keep dps up with the exception of when they need to perform a mechanic.

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except if you're shooting and moving it means you're not using wanderer's/gauss. granted they're bad right now, but if se buffs them (they will) then that means you're taking ~*~three~*~ dps hits. one for not using wanderer/gauss, one for actively supporting, and one for mysterious brd/mch dps tax(?!?!?).

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Originally Posted by Bluejay

There is no way SE is going to leave the situation like this. The job is kind of a mess now and some of the new abilities are worthless.

Every expansion in every MMO ever one or more classes gets shafted by Dev's who don't think through things and then the class gets fixed. It's temporary.

I still think we will get taken on raids for MP regen if nothing else.

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I feel for machinist players more than us bards though, they really got the raw end of the situation. I just hope we both get adjusted come time for the hotfix, not just bards.

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Originally Posted by Lillia

They aren't able to do this because unlike everyone else, when they are out of song/promotion they can move and attack at once at close and long distance melee range. Meaning they can 24/7 keep dps up with the exception of when they need to perform a mechanic.

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This was an acceptable excuse until WM came into play. BRD is basically a retarded BLM with that thing having to be used in its current state (and you do have to use it at 60 if you want to at least perform slightly better than most tanks). The changes to come would have to make WM either mobile in some way (perhaps reduced damage auto attacks, allow abilities to be used while moving but without the damage increase, etc) or much more noticeable of a DPS increase in order to justify its existence alongside what's gradually becoming unnecessary damage reduction effects.

Honestly, I figured WM would have been similar to an MM Hunter in WoW before, where you would get a buff for standing still that increased your damage, but would remove the buff for moving. It reapplies when you stop moving. At least that way, you can have the turret benefit that they apparently want for BRD to do their max potential while also keeping the illusion of viable DPS mobility around.

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Originally Posted by Miitan

This would be a good argument but while WM removes the movement, dps is still far short of every other dps. That's my issue with it.

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If they fix DPS on it to where it catches up in a suitable fashion, I wouldn't really mind giving up movement however I can't really speak for other bards on this. But I don't think we should be able to keep up with other dps'ers when completely out of song unless we are in WM is what I was saying.

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Originally Posted by Wavaryen

Not anymore you mean?

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Urm... I may be misunderstanding if you meant bards can't do it anymore then... thats a little wrong, because we can move just when we swap out of WM or aren't in it. But if I am misunderstanding your comment/question(?) then please feel free to correct me!

But I was basically saying that bards aren't allowed to reach the same numbers as other dps'ers because they can move when outside of their song stance. I'm not against a stronger DPS stance, I probably could come off as if I am though lol.

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Originally Posted by bideogames

except if you're shooting and moving it means you're not using wanderer's/gauss. granted they're bad right now, but if se buffs them (they will) then that means you're taking ~*~three~*~ dps hits. one for not using wanderer/gauss, one for actively supporting, and one for mysterious brd/mch dps tax(?!?!?).

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Well I meant when we're completely out of songs, etc. Sorry I consider WM as a song so I was just commenting on why we can't keep up out of song. My mistake Ms/Mr.Bideo, please disregard my reply if I misunderstood. ^^;