Heavensward Leveling... aka Northern Thanalan Leveling

The issue isn't just the amount of EXP given. Northern Thanalan is a really small zone so all the FATE parties can move as a single, loosely coordinated group, and get completion credit for every single FATE that spawns.

The new zones are way too large for that though... You won't get a chance to get credit for every FATE because people will all be split up and completing them separately.

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Originally Posted by Chihaya

Again this pulling of real life card on a game forums, it is a disgrace
Just because they are able to grind and willing to put more time into the game doesn't mean they don't have life outside of the game

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Seriously. Not to mention you can have a 9-5 job, get a full night's sleep everyday, AND have gone out of town on vacation since launch and still have a level 60, upgraded gear, read the entire story, and have an alt in the mid 50s. Leveling your first class isn't exactly rocket surgery. Especially for anyone who is MMO vetted.


This is also probably the only MMO I've played where people sit around debating and passing judgment on which parts of it are deemed acceptably enjoyable. Some people like leveling, some hate it, and some just like having more than one class to play at cap. Regardless, something is very wrong when the most efficient way to level is by doing the EXACT same thing we did at 2.0 launch.

NT is a really small area so getting around is much quicker than the new zones. Plus the population is always high there because people are leveling new jobs as well as new players there. So its pretty much a win win area. They added new fates in 3.1, but didnt increase the xp. Occasionally I will see 3 or 4 people doing particular fates in the new zones, but other than that is a ghost town.

The only end I can realistically see to this problem that SE would do is just to nerf the fates in N. Than for people level 51+. It seems... incredibly accidental that fate grinding in N. Than is still better exp from 50-55 than other methods of leveling (though most reasonable people I know end up doing those other methods because fate grinds are so soulcrushingly boring). SE could totally scale the exp in the new zones to fit better with N. Than's exp... but we know from experience that they tend to prefer buffing other, less mindless methods of leveling (read: dungeons), compared to the fate grinds. Additionally I think they really, really, never thought about people leveling waaaaayyyy faster than expected by going back to the original bane of FFXIV ARR's leveling system: FATE grinds. Not to mention I think that fate grinding is worse than it was before because at lvl 50 normally the amount of experience you'd get from the individual fate mobs would be a pretty significant portion of your total exp, but currently you can only hit a couple once before they die so you don't get exp from individual mobs much.

In any case, if you do your high and low dungeon roulettes and your trials roulette, then grind your highest dungeon, and also do the daily/weekly hunts while queued, you can level 50-60 in a couple days and as a bonus have a full stock of seals to start upgrading your armour as a bonus (which helps you to avoid the cesspool that are currently hunt trains, which are even worse than fate trains).

"I don't like the video game I choose to play!"

These forums just make me laugh. Do some of you not understand how silly you sound? I've been tired of lots of games. I don't cry about it. I find another game or hobby.

I humbly suggest they revamp the roulette system.

• Low Level Roulette: Make it what it was pre-HW; so level 1-49 content only.
  • As before, but just ARR dungeons. Basically as it is now (Solid 20-30% level)
  • Include XP bonuses for 2nd jobs.. so that's an additional +100% (so 40-60% level) for under 50s, +50% for over 50s (so 30-45% level)
  • Buff mob XP to make it worth it. (I just roulette'd Thousand Maws and got a very measly 20% my level, immediately did Dusk vigil with friends for about 25%+. Roulette did not feel worth it when I could just grind the same dungeon over and over)
• High Level Roulette: Change it to the new HW level 50+ dungeons.
  • Essentially a secondary roulette for level 50+ characters.
  • Bonus XP somewhere in the realm of 30-50% total level, plus mob XP
• Challenge Roulette:
  • Hard Mode Dungeons
  • Rather than a huge updating list with only current maps, why not an automated weekly rotation of maps?
  • No XP given, other rewards given (more or less as HM is now)

(Other stuff as it is now)

Point being, I am all for the sluggishness of leveling quickly, but for those who REALLY want 60 quick they can grind... but being able to binge 10 hours straight should not net the same XP as a casual 10 hours spaced out over 2 weeks.

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Originally Posted by Balipu

*insert Morpheus pic here*
What if I told you that leveling does not equal FATE grinding. You have dungeons, levequests, guildhests, clan hunts and if you leveled your first class right, even quests.
Just do 10 fates for the challenge log and be done with it.

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Just need to point out that you seriously suggested guildhests as a tool for leveling to 60. As someone who still does a daily guildhest roulette... those things are for good for commendations, and that's about it.

I wish the HW dungeons were in their own roulette, though. I always still get ARR dungeons when I do low level roulette even if I am at a level that can run HW dungeons. It's like why rush to 51, I won't get Dusk Vigil anyway.

Why would you level in thanalan fates, do you hate yourself? Do some dungeons already!

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Originally Posted by XxSliphxX

I'm probably going to start doing this myself :/ I tried to lvl legit by just doing expansion stuff but now i feel like im just being left behind because everyone is already 60 days ago from doing N Than fate grinding and already lvling other classes..... It's no fun doing new world stuff when no one else is doing it because old world yields better exp.

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I've no idea what the big rush is, seriously. I've still got plenty of gobbie quests, Vanu quests etc that i can do to reach 60 as well as HW FATES. And let us not forget the roulettes...