Pay for your inventory.

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Originally Posted by Cynfael

Why would you suddenly be paying $30 a month? You have no obligation to buy all available retainer slots, nor will they be remotely necessary.

Also, where are you getting $30 internet? I couldn't get two Dixie cups and a string for that here.

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No they aren't necessary and there's no obligation, but I think a lot of players see it as a slap in the face and/or a bit P2W.

Consider this: the amount of things a person with only 2 retainers can sell, compared to that of someone with 8. Combine this with ventures, and storage space (which many people have been complaining about for a while) and its a bit P2W.

Think of the bigger scale.

We said this back when paid retainers first came out. When simple minions and mounts came out. Then dyes. Now they are literally doubling the amount of inventory space currently available by retainers (by 700) - but we have to pay.

We asked then. I'll ask now. What is next?

It wouldn't be so bad if this was a free patch but with the additional cost of Heavensward I expected at least 1 free retainer or some kind of meaningful increase to inventory space. Had I know this I would have never pre-ordered. Very rarely do I complain about the cash shop but this may be pushing it too far.

To the people saying you don't need that many slots! I have every crafter level 50. And 40 slots to sell is not enough for 1 crafter to sell, little alone 8 of them. Anyone saying you don't need all that space must not be a crafter!

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Originally Posted by VoltaAsura

No they aren't necessary and there's no obligation, but I think a lot of players see it as a slap in the face and/or a bit P2W.

We asked then. I'll ask now. What is next?

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Yeap, gotta agree with this sentiment. This is definitely getting into the territory of Pay2Win. I already have a lot of items filling up my inventory, and I haven't even started seriously crafting yet. if I want to craft, I'm going to -have- to buy a third retainer to handle all my armor and items.


The inventory limits in this game are absurd. There is simply no way to handle all the items we have. There is no easy way of storing items for glamor, and there is likewise no easy way of sorting your inventory if you're a multi-classer. For those who play just one role or likewise two roles / two jobs, this isn't too bad. But when you are an omni-60 (Working on gathering next!) You start to feel the poor constraints of the system and those retainers start to look more and more attractive.

SE needs to really do more for the players and stop asking for us to fill their pockets so much. They already recieve our monthly fee. Please stop putting things behind additional out-of-game paywalls.

SERIOUSLY!?

This comes as close to pay-to-win as possible, and if you don't think so, just consider the following:

• One retainer has an inventory size of 175 - with the two we can have for free, we have an additional 350 slots. Pay for 6 more and you'll have a total of 1400 inventory slots. With the amount of items already in game, with the glamour system we have, with the crafting/gathering system we have, with the number of upcoming gear being so high the patch notes won't even list it... This could as well go straight in the definition of unfair.
• One retainer can have 20 items up for sale - 40 for the two we can have for free. Pay for 6 more and you can have a total of 160 items up for sale at once. That's literally paying to win, considering how some people can already play the market - now they'll be able to single-handedly destroy economies (or parts of it at the very least), just because they shell out more bucks than some others. Is that a fair advantage they should have??
• Retainer ventures. An additional six times the chance of obtaining rare (many otherwise unobtainable!) items, again, just because some decide to pay more money than others. In a game that's already subscription based, how on earth is that alright??

And still they don't even seem to consider a glamour log. And still they're bullshitting us (sorry not sorry, but after this it's clearer than daylight to see) about how difficult it is to increase our inventory because of its size and the stress it puts on the servers.

I know I'm just person, but really, I am upset beyond words about this.

Honestly, the thing I was most looking forward to in HW was more inventory space. I'm a completionist and a collector. That's what I consider to be fun. I know not everyone is a completionist or a collector. That's totally irrelevant. I was hoping for at least some token extra inventory space - one free retainer, or three additional armory chest spaces per category. It didn't have to be much. Right now, there is barely enough main hand space to switch between all 24 jobs without stopping at a retainer to swap out main hands. With only 25 spots, this means you can only have an alternate weapon (such as for PvP) for a single job at a time.

I am really disappointed by this decision because SE is showing us that they can handle more inventory space for us, they just don't want to (without us forking over a much higher monthly fee). [comment on SE's income sources deleted in an attempt to avoid another ban], I'd think they could afford to give us at least one more retainer for free, or even just those 30 more armory chest spaces to offset the new jobs. Or, they could just let us mail our alts items so we can use mules with less hassle - that wouldn't even require any more server space than is already allocated. Of course, equipment is character bound, so you still couldn't collect one of every armor piece for glamour/completionism...

As much as this upsets me, of course, I'm not going to rage quit over it. I'm not canceling my subscription or my pre-order. I'm trying to decide how i'm going to handle the lack of inventory space. This kills a lot of my drive to play as much as I do, so I'll certainly play less after the initial excitement of 3.0 fades (that's not a threat or a whine, just a fact). The sensible decision would be to find an MMO that's more collector/completionist-friendly (this one seemed perfect because of the Armory system, but that didn't hold up), but, i'm not a terribly sensible person and I do like this game otherwise. I can either stop collecting equipment entirely (I have over 175 equipment items stored on retainers for glamours, plus a completely full armory chest), which would let me also cancel my third retainer. It would also make me run content less since I'd have no drive to collect gear from it, leading to me losing interest in the game much faster since there's less to do. Or, I can cancel my third retainer and instead upgrade my subscription so I can have 8 characters per server instead of 1. I can then use the other character slots to mule items and sell them on the MB in mass quantities. This wouldn't be an insurmountable hassle since my wife also plays and can bounce items for me, but it's still quite the hassle. My last option, which I really don't like, is to choose 2-3 classes to keep and drop all equipment for all other classes. That'll free up tons of space and still let me collect, but... it would cultivate the collector in me while killing the completionist.

I really don't like any of those options. Man, all my floon for the expansion just went poof =\ What's the point of cool new classes and gear (to a collector and a completionist) if you can't collect it all?

Really, for me, I guess this decision is a moot point now anyway. I'm going to be a mother in four months. This decision just leads me to quit the game when that happens rather than try to juggle MMOing with an infant. So, I guess this decision is triggering not an instant rage quit, but a slow, four month long "eh" quit.

Meh. Back to jRPGs for me, I guess.

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Originally Posted by BreathlessTao

This comes as close to pay-to-win as possible, and if you don't think so, just consider the following:

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none of that is p2w. unless they put the best battle/crafter/gatherer gear behind the cash shop and no other way to obtain it, it won't be p2w.

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Originally Posted by Musashidon

none of that is p2w. unless they put the best battle/crafter/gatherer gear behind the cash shop and no other way to obtain it, it won't be p2w.

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None of that is p2w for you, because you apparently don't care about anything else than BiS for everything. Newsflash: that's not what the game is about for everyone.

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Originally Posted by Vejjiegirl

Not only that, but with all 8 retainers you can now sell up to 160 Items at once, where a Player without extra retainer service and just a regular sub can only sell 40 things at once.

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Speaking as a master crafter, I have enough trouble keeping my 4 retainers fully stocked as it is. I wouldn't be buying more retainers for this reason at all.

I may get a 5th one because I've run out of closet space on my gear retainer, but that's just me being a fashionista. I don't need that gear. I just have it to feel pretty.

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Originally Posted by Catwho

Speaking as a master crafter, I have enough trouble keeping my 4 retainers fully stocked as it is. I wouldn't be buying more retainers for this reason at all.

I may get a 5th one because I've run out of closet space on my gear retainer, but that's just me being a fashionista. I don't need that gear. I just have it to feel pretty.

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"Master crafters" produce small amounts of high end items.

People who actually know how to get the real money out of the MB produce lots of lower-to-middle end, high demand items.