They should rename WoD "World of Salt"

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Originally Posted by Nyalia

Good to know, thank you. I didn't think it was possible with current gear since I've never seen him anywhere near 0 by that point. Still, I stand by my position above - if you don't want to wipe in WoD, don't let any one person's mistake wipe the raid. Double up on MTs in the ahriman boss, double up on people in the slime puddles against the second boss (who is literally a five headed dragon), double up on OTs for Wolfsbanes during Cerberus, double up on people in meteors against Cloud of Darkness, send all DPS in for Cerberus, and don't wait on chains.

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Im pretty sure if you preform the full alliance with 3 t13 groups you might be able to kill cerberus without going into his stomach at all.
That being said the reality of DF is that you, indeed, would be better off just chaining him straight away.

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Originally Posted by MXMoondoggie

Which would be fine if the content had not been out for weeks. People have had a long long time to learn these mechanics by now and it's not just one or two people not knowing what to do because they are new it's people who have obviously been farming it for weeks and they STILL mess up the simplest things.

The fact everyone else turns around for the attack around them might give them a clue.

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You pretend like these sorts of things are just second nature. It doesn't matter if people have been running it for weeks, there are still bound to be new players. People have been running LotA for MONTHS, the bosses get melted in 1/4th the time they used to, and i wipe on that duty more frequently than WoD. People just need to stop acting like everyone should know stuff just because they do. If it bothers you that much, have some macros on hand and be prepared to explain the mechanics.

Mortal Gaze gives no real indication it has a Line of sight mechanic, it's pretty nuanced. The only reason I even thought to check was because of Turn 7. It even has a failsafe to remove the status.

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Originally Posted by AireTamStorm

When people start pointing fingers I always try to explain to everyone in the raid what do to when we face it again. Usually there's mechanic screw ups and calmly explaining it will help more than anything. Often times it helps diffuse a salt storm that's near critical levels. Sure I can get mad too but getting mad at people is just going to lengthen the time I'm spending in a place I only need to run once for carbon/twine/coat that week.

WoD's first boss is great though. I love it. The amount of people that mortal/gazed or Brand of the --- is hilarious. Doesn't usually wipe but it's fun to see who is new and who isn't. I've had pretty good experiences running the weekly on Tuesday nights, right after the resets. Weekends are another story....

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I'll admit Tuesday resets are not immune to issues, but they are way less. We usually preform on Tuesday nights, but queuing solo on the weekend can be okay or really bad.

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Originally Posted by Edellis

You pretend like these sorts of things are just second nature. It doesn't matter if people have been running it for weeks, there are still bound to be new players. People have been running LotA for MONTHS, the bosses get melted in 1/4th the time they used to, and i wipe on that duty more frequently than WoD. People just need to stop acting like everyone should know stuff just because they do. If it bothers you that much, have some macros on hand and be prepared to explain the mechanics.

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It's not new players causing the issues when not a single "Mapping the Realm" achievement shows up at the end of the run.

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Originally Posted by Edellis

You pretend like these sorts of things are just second nature. It doesn't matter if people have been running it for weeks, there are still bound to be new players. People have been running LotA for MONTHS, the bosses get melted in 1/4th the time they used to, and i wipe on that duty more frequently than WoD. People just need to stop acting like everyone should know stuff just because they do. If it bothers you that much, have some macros on hand and be prepared to explain the mechanics.

Mortal Gaze gives no real indication it has a Line of sight mechanic, it's pretty nuanced. The only reason I even thought to check was because of Turn 7. It even has a failsafe to remove the status.

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You really didn't read a single word i said did you. I wasn't talking about new players i was talking about those doing it for weeks who can't even manage simple things. There are a ton of people in chat telling new players to turn away from the boss on Mortal Gaze. There are a ton of people turning for that mechanic giving people a clue. I won't bitch at a new person for screwing it up but it annoys me to hell when people are not new and they still die from doom.

It's simple to learn you act like it's an incredibly complex mechanic. You get it wrong somebody tells you how to do it right then you do it right all the other times. Even the debuff swap isn't difficult on that boss once you understand it. You are only swapping between two debuffs. In other games I've played you can be juggling three debuffs in a much smaller area while also dealing with an instant death mechanic. The add phase on the boss is not difficult a couple of White Mages could stun lock them to death so they can't even attack before they are burned down.

Please explain what part of this boss or even the whole raid is hard.

I would say your point is saying that certain people flips off when the play fails?

Have you ever seen a BLM with a full set of dreadwyrm (seriously full set) and we wiped? Oh boy, the crapstorm that he managed to conjure could wipe out a city, if words can be very strong winds. My advice is if you can't handle it, vote to kick him or just leave, penalty be damned.

That was just an example, by the way. But hey, stereotypes are there for a reason....................

It's funny when a group wipes at the first trash or the first boss. Every time I've seen it, one or two people violently rage at everyone about how terrible they are before leaving, and then after they're gone, we go through the raid just fine, no wipes. Hmm, almost as if their leaving was related......

Heck, last time I did WoD, there was this one healer who whined so loudly after the wipe and insisted his group (which wasn't mine) kick him. Even though someone else had already left from the same group as him so he wouldn't have gotten a penalty. He raged so much when his group wouldn't that we gave up waiting for him to leave and just did the first boss (which we wiped on) one healer down. We cleared it just fine without him, and I convinced his group to wait after the next trash pull to kick him if they were going to do it. Gods, the raaaaage from him toward me during that trash pull...

I've never seen so much salt. And I still don't get it. Why wouldn't he just go when there was no penalty since he wasn't the first to leave? Was he just a newb who didn't know how it worked, or am I wrong in thinking he wouldn't have gotten a penalty?

The people raging in WOD and ST are most certainly insecure individuals who don't have the chops to compete in true endgame content (i.e. FCOB) but still want the opportunity to "show off" to all the supposed noobs and baddies in 24-man instances. I'd bet $10.32 on this.

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Originally Posted by Mercutial

The people raging in WOD and ST are most certainly insecure individuals who don't have the chops to compete in true endgame content (i.e. FCOB) but still want the opportunity to "show off" to all the supposed noobs and baddies in 24-man instances. I'd bet $10.32 on this.

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That number is so specific I feel like it's a reference I'm missing. Either way, you're probably right. Most folks I know that actually run FCoB just love playing the game and playing it hard, the challenge of being better is what keeps us going.

Haha... no reference. Just a random number (in the spirit of SE). As bad a rap as raiders tend to get, I really find the vast majority to be pleasant and generally above lording over content such as CT, ST and WOD. Would you find the likes of Kubrick, Scorsese, Von Trier, etc tearing apart some first-year student film? Just my impression.