The Ninja Superthread

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Originally Posted by Leonus

We would have to throw in jutsus right? Only real way to see how well it loops with everything?

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Yeah.

So this is how I opened -

SE > BfB > Mug > GS > IR > DE > SF > M > SE > GS > AE > Jugulate
SE > Suiton > GS > TA > DE > Kass > SF > Raiton > SE > AE

once all that was said and done, it was just pop buffs/oGCDs on CD and cycle through jutsu while keeping everything up.

Scored me 499 and I'm sure there's more optimal places to slot everything.

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Originally Posted by Leonus

What you posted can actually be simplified as..
DE > SF > Mutilate > AE

Then you just follow DE> SF> AE and apply mutilate as it drops. Does that line up with the sim?

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Essentially, yeah.

The reason why I listed it like that was because Mutilates DoTs drops off at different intervals each time you use it and so you could see clearly when it's best to use it without clipping dots or losing out on DoT ticks.

So then is 438 the your recommended skill speed for keeping dots from falling off too long or having to clip due to too much ss?

No, that's just what I was using in the sim. Increased skillspeed will increase your PPS regardless.

As far as SkSp is concerned, mine caused no problems with this rotation and I can actually see that with more it would be smoother. (again, I'm at 476)

Well with this I can see the similarity between nin and drg rotation wise. I thought it would be more like mnk actually. Using this actually helps simplify things a bit.

My only issue is that mudras sometimes eat into my gcd causing me to drop SF or mutilate longer than I want to. Especially if I just su > gcd > Kassatsu > gcd > jutsu.

Edit: to ease my mind I guess I'm asking, when pitted against one another which takes priority. Dots in the melee rotation or raiton. I figure if TA is available you'll want to use that to buff your dots by 10%. Huton is a given, at least to me that it comes first when put up against anything in ninja's two rotations.

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Originally Posted by Leonus

My only issue is that mudras sometimes eat into my gcd causing me to drop SF or mutilate longer than I want to. Especially if I just su > gcd > Kassatsu > gcd > jutsu.

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I noticed this too. Though, as long as it's not down for too long it shouldn't make a huge difference. The way DoTs work in this game is that they tick every 3 seconds so it one falls off for 1-2s, you're likely not missing anything.

Is there anyway at the end of the guide you can add in an abbreviation meaning list (ex. se). I'm just new to leveling rogue and I'm trying to compare what the abbreviations mean with a skill list, but some I'm not sure they are right or can't find them. Would be helpful. Thank you.

So.......

How OP are Ninjas anyway? I haven't rolled one yet, but simply looking at the Potencies of the attacks everyone was really expecting them to be this game's WotLK Death Knights (aka the end all, be all kings of melee dps).

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Originally Posted by AspectOfWinter

So.......

How OP are Ninjas anyway? I haven't rolled one yet, but simply looking at the Potencies of the attacks everyone was really expecting them to be this game's WotLK Death Knights (aka the end all, be all kings of melee dps).

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Nin isn't op at all, mnks are still top dps (aingle target) while nin and drg fall slightly behind.