Um, working isnt a problem, look over my character... I've put in plenty of "work" here.Quote:
Originally Posted by Scootaloo
Sightseeing is a horrible grind item and compared to GW2's Vistas, sucks Moogle balls in how it was implemented.
Sitting around waiting for something to happen, not fun.
Exploring and moving around to find something, fun.
If you dont like other people's opinions, best to stay off the forums so your Lala panties dont get tied in a knot. ;)
Sightseeing Log - Its just not happening.
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09-05-2014, 06:20 AMTeirshin
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09-05-2014, 06:32 AMYahavage
Can't express to the devs enough just how much of a massive disappointment the sightseeing log was. Sightseeing, to me, is going along and seeing things YOUR way, not someone elses way. I dunno, the whole thing stinks, I may get it done only because I'm off work for two weeks so can leave myself standing at vistas while I do other stuff... otherwise I wouldn't bother. If I don't get it done in these two weeks... I probably wont. Even the lure of a minion... nope, dull quest is dull
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09-05-2014, 06:33 AMTiggyA waiting game you've chosen to play by not referencing player information to find the correct time and weather. I understand you are trying to "do it yourself" but you need to acknowledge that you are deliberately and purposefully making it harder on yourself.Quote:
Originally Posted by Nalien
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09-05-2014, 06:36 AMNalienI'll call the Oxford University Press tomorrow and let them know that the definition of "Working" needs to be changed to "Not doing your intended task while external forces out of your control determine when you can finish your intended task, purely at random". I'm personally looking forward to sitting around doing nothing and getting payed for the hard work I'm clearly doing; "Sorry boss, I can't do that until I roll 3 fours, waiting to roll 3 fours is still working though; ask Scootaloo".Quote:
Originally Posted by Scootaloo
No. It's a waiting game regardless of how I, or anyone, decides to go about doing it. Even if I used a guide, I'd still be waiting. Absolutely nobody got this done without at some point waiting for the right time/weather. If they got lucky and got the right time/weather every time they turned up... By a lottery ticket for Christs sake...Quote:
Originally Posted by Tiggy
Nice strawman. Would probably have more impact if I wasn't the person clearly claiming to put effort working out the clues to find Vistas, instead of going down a guide online.Quote:
Originally Posted by Scootaloo
You really think waiting for the RNG to give you the right weather at the right time involves effort though? Wow... Just... Wow....
Perhaps I should apply for the job; Sitting in my garden waiting for it to rain between 5PM and 6PM... I hear a lot of hard work goes into that, so the pay is sure to be good. -
09-05-2014, 06:53 AMScootalooYou do that, oh and you may want to inform them that they should use your own definition of "Working" which is "I get what I want with little to no effort and nearly instantly"Quote:
Originally Posted by Nalien
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09-05-2014, 08:21 AMYukiko
@Scootaloo: When have you given up on this content?
I dont see the minion in your Profile, do you do one log entry a day or how do you wait for it?
I mean, if you are defending the content, it must mean you have fun in doing the content. If you have fun in doing so, you are still doing logs... dont you? -
09-05-2014, 10:38 PMAlukahWhy do people always take it to the extremes? That wont make your point any less invalid.Quote:
Originally Posted by Scootaloo
No one is saying it should take no effort and be nearly instantly, it's just that the weather requirement is only there as a time sink, it serves no other purpose. -
09-05-2014, 10:45 PMTiggyYes, you might have to wait a few hours. It's a lot different that sitting in one spot, in the same zone, for hours on end simply because you aren't 100% sure of the time and weather. When you already know the time and weather you can simply check the weather npc's, see that it's not up for the next hour, and get on with your life. That's what I was referring to.Quote:
Originally Posted by Nalien
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09-05-2014, 10:49 PMNalienI know what you were referring to, my point is that is doesn't matter; no matter how you go about it, Sightseeing still has a blatant and meaningless time sink that you seem to be defending for... What reason exactly?Quote:
Originally Posted by Tiggy
Honestly, the fact that you're just encouraging the use of a guide just further damns this content in my opinion. This is a Sightseeing side-quest, not a freakin' Atari game. -
09-05-2014, 11:13 PMFendred
Three things:
1) The game is built on a follow the dotted line principle whereas GW2 was far more open in its original progression structure and encouraged exploration.
2) GW2 vistas were platforming challenges, which have a clear goal point. Vistas do not have this benefit.
3) The current setup of the game runs contradictory to the entire purpose of hide-and-seek style gameplay. When end game progression becomes so tight that players must find the most efficient use of their time to overcome it, a challenge where the distance/time to the goal is uncertain and runs counter to the gear treadmill is going to be heavily discouraged as an option. The palpable dread of losing one's place in the gearing hierarchy due to the vertical progression just makes these kinds of efforts to enrich the game a total waste.
Just to clarify, I'm not saying they should stop trying to do these interesting things in the game, but they have to realize they've built their own worst enemy.