I still don't see your point, does belittling the players that have a hard time make you feel better or something? There are a hell of a lot more bad Titan Ex parties in the party finder than good ones, even post echo. All it takes for that fight to go wrong is one bad healer/tank or some bad dps, it's not some big discovery that the margin for error is small on that fight. If you can't agree with that then my only question for you is, do you even pug? Help me understand your point.
All I'm saying is that I'm happy to have a new primal to do with casual friends, didn't come here to argue about the difficulty of finding a good pug group for titan ex. The next patch will contain more hard stuff and considering nobody has beaten savage coil I'm sure there is still something hard to sink your teeth into.
