Possible Paladin Rework...

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Originally Posted by SeraviEdalborez

WAR: SP>BB>BB - (3*1.2)>(9*1.2)*2 = 25.2
PLD: H>H>H - (9*3) = 27

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unless i misunderstand how the modifiers work, this math sounds very wrong.
you wouldn't simply add the modifiers in a combo. assuming my sources are right, from the combos you listed it would be:

WAR: (150+190+270)+1.2(150+3(100)+5(280))+1.2(150+3(100)+5(280)))=1.2(610+2220+2220)=5050
PLD: 3(150+3(100)+5(260))=3(150+300+1300)=4950

given, this doesn't factor in things like overpower/unchained/SC/Flash/Berserk for war or FoF/CoS/Flash for PLD. Or things like increased crits from defiance and IR or reduced slashing resistance from SP. but for being simple/lazy math, i believe its accurate.

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Originally Posted by silvach

Give Paladins one more AoE attack compared to OP or make Overpower cross-class ability. Period.

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Dude, if PLD could use Overpower I would lay down my axe for a long while. Save Riot Blade combo for the DPS Job, I just want something that adds fun to the class.
God, mixing CoS and Overpower would just be tasty.

I'm not 50 yet, but I have a couple of ideas:

I'd suggest making a bit of a change to riot blade. Specifically I'd make it affect up to 3 enemies within 5 yalms if combo'd (half damage on the additional enemies) and then give the flash after increased enmity and apply a 30 potency AoE DOT effect for 20s. No immediate damage due to the higher initial enmity but adding a DOT would make it a bit more interesting. Alternatively, remove the DoT from all enemies and make it so that it is more powerful (40-50 potency per tick) , but only affects enemies which have been hit by halone's strength down effect.

Secondly I'd stop our interrupt stopping combos. It makes no sense.

Third, take our interrupt off the GCD and add a cool down. Great idea to be able to stun lock, but unless you know exactly when something is coming, I seem to rarely get a stun in.

Fourth, shield swipe. Add some extra enmity generation to it if it's on the GCD, else take it off GCD.

Edit: Hmm, did some basic numbers and on a single target a flash dot wouldn't really do much. It would be a very minor potency increase (about 5pps)over 45 seconds from halone spam but would drop enmity by about 30ps over the same time. You'd have to take it up to a 75 potency dot to make the dps jump worth it for the enmity loss.

Edit 2: played with the numbers a bit. Not counting any buffs or off GCD abilities, if the dot were 75 potency (strong, I know) and the same multiplier for threat was added to riot blade you would get an 8% dps increase for an 8% enmity loss (also assuming flash is flat 500 enmity) . It might give a bit more variety - should I do extra damage or have the safety cushion of extra threat?

If they gave PLD enmity equal to overpower I want 2 more "DEFENSIVE" Cooldowns and invulnerability that doesn't leave me stranded with 1 HP

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Originally Posted by Uliq

If they gave PLD enmity equal to overpower I want 2 more "DEFENSIVE" Cooldowns and invulnerability that doesn't leave me stranded with 1 HP

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You know that actually OP is doing less enmity than Flash (on defiance or shield oath)?

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Originally Posted by Uliq

If they gave PLD enmity equal to overpower I want 2 more "DEFENSIVE" Cooldowns and invulnerability that doesn't leave me stranded with 1 HP

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Sure, but you can no longer cross-class Flash or Provoke. And you can't crit for 3k anymore either.

The truth is that PLD is not able to add as much to raid / full party group as WAR. He is able to tank pretty well, but all he has to do is just click on cooldowns whenever they are needed. As OT, PLD cannot be even compared to what WAR is able to do. Square Enix did good work reworking WAR but they made him a great (sometimes much better than PLD) MT and best OT you can search for. Honestly, WAR/WAR is always better than PLD/PLD.

PLD should have some way to deal more damage, for example add additional Potency to the RoH combo when used with Sword Oath. At this point PLD as MT is doing the same as OT. Spam RoH for str debuff and most damage, oh and sometimes cast Stone Skin. I have experienced people that were whining about me (as PLD) being OT because I'm just a filler who does completely nothing. And they are right. I'm doing way too low damage to be any kind of help as OT. And I'm not blaming them for selecting WAR as MT. He can generate more enmity per gcd and can self heal quite a lot. Also he does more damage.

Rework is needed, indeed. We have too many CDs and too low actives.

My view is let the warrior be the DPS OT. SE should retool the Paladin into more of a healer/support OT.

I like the OP's idea of making flash a riot-blade combo. Here are some other ideas:

Access to more healing spells. Cure II, medica and regen are all good choices, and would make riot blade significantly more useful (by virtue of the fact that Paladins don't have a high MP cap).

Take cover off of cool-down, make it cost MP to activate and then tick MP while active.

Holy oath - Swap Str for mind, buff healing potency and nerf damage output. More healing spells would make this most useful, but even just making enhanced raise/stoneskin available in holy oath would be a start.

First aid - High potency regen, can only target other players in close proximity (like cover)

Rally - High MP cost to significantly buff one person's stats. Possibly also requiring proximity.

Rallyga - Very high MP cost to moderately buff entire party's stats

something im seeing in the logic in this thread that is flawed imo is glossing over the fact that war can use flash too. basically i use overpower as a last resort(speed runs not withstanding). if im pulling trash i tomahawk->-steel->cyclone->flash x3. if i dont have the mp for 3 flashes i will sub in over powers. for single targets like levi ex i tomahawk->steel cyclone->BB combo->SE combo->BB combo

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Originally Posted by dramamine

Holy oath - Swap Str for mind, buff healing potency and nerf damage output. More healing spells would make this most useful, but even just making enhanced raise/stoneskin available in holy oath would be a start.

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I'd trade Sword Oath for this "Holy Oath" in a HEARTBEAT!

The only issue i see with this is things like turn 5 conflags were originally designed with the additional dps from sword oath to bring them down in mind.

Though using sword oath was -not- required it certainly made the odds more in the players favor.