Why does everyone blame the tank?

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Originally Posted by MythToken

If the tank dies, its the healers fault.
If the healer dies, its the tanks fault.
If the dps die, it is their own damn fault.

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This is an extreme over simplification and does not apply to a lot of situations. I wish people would stop using it.

To the OP I really feel like people blame others like that when they have no idea why a wipe was occurring. Blaming the tank or the healer is the easy out in those cases. It is sad but true. If they could identify the issue they would have offered real advice but since they couldn't they just blamed the tank basically by saying "do better". In that case they can be ignored lol.

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Originally Posted by QuCont

5 pages in and not a single person bothers to mention that Scholars can use Adlo to absorb the poison damage.

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Um what?

Adlo won't help the tank, and I'm not going to keep throwing out a 90mp cure across everyone.

Done this fight 3 times now as sch, and the stupid part is that I don't have a way to cure poison other than a 1min cd antidote.

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Originally Posted by Tule

Were you eating any breaths?....

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i wasnt getting hit by anything that was avoidable. I was even making sure to use second wind when berserk was up to get little more hp. bloodbath and foresight were being used throughout the fight.

And at that level i had yet to get inner beast or the maim combo that heals u. I forget whether its storm's eye or path.

Bots, seriously? Please tell me this isn't an actual thing.

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Originally Posted by Coth_X

Um what?

Adlo won't help the tank, and I'm not going to keep throwing out a 90mp cure across everyone.

Done this fight 3 times now as sch, and the stupid part is that I don't have a way to cure poison other than a 1min cd antidote.

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What? Only three?

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Originally Posted by QuCont

What? Only three?

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I just unlocked sch like 3 days ago, honestly the fight wouldn't be as difficult as it is since I do have parts in the fight where I can sneak something in, i'd like that to be something like leeches, but nope, still don't have that at lvl 36.

The poison stacks at least up to 4 stacks, and the dragon either spreads the stacks out or focuses on one dps, the tank gets stacking poison as after so many bites or something, I think the breath will poison him too. I basically have to antidote someone at 3 stacks, and with a 1 min cd, dps are out, its either gonna be me or the tank, and even my fairy gets stacking poison too.

Also, yes I can confirm bots, I was in another party today with one, tank auto attacked a single target, no flashes and wouldn't chase after other targets we talked about him the whole time and he didn't say anything to us. He was in tamtara appropriate gear for tamtara, and he rolled greed on a pld shld. The tank was a pld.

I've seen one in toto as well as somewhere else. We saw the one in toto die and instantly respawn at our location :/

The worst problem is the 2 dps in tamtara didn't want to kick him because "tanks and healers never join in progress".

I've done Brayflox countless times since 2.0 and I've never had to use an antidote. The one that cures paralysis, whatever it's called, that one is helpful sometimes. But I've never had a bother with poison.

Now if we're talking about derps that stand in poisons, or tanks that can't avoid the breathe, that's a whole other issue and in those situations, white mages have an even worse issue on their hands. For one, they run out of MP much more quickly than they can spam Esuna. At least we have our little unlimited regen-ing device in a fairy.

Try the run several more times, make generous use of Adlo, energy drain and aetherflow. They work wonders.

You never had to antidote yourself or a tank with 3 or 4 stacks of poison? Maybe it's the pld tanks, but their hp drops like they are made of paper. Everytime someone gets a puddle shot at them thats one stack and the tank seems to get it even if he's avoiding the breath.

Ill try again the next time I log on.

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Originally Posted by Coth_X

Also, yes I can confirm bots, I was in another party today with one, tank auto attacked a single target, no flashes and wouldn't chase after other targets we talked about him the whole time and he didn't say anything to us. He was in tamtara appropriate gear for tamtara, and he rolled greed on a pld shld. The tank was a pld.

I've seen one in toto as well as somewhere else. We saw the one in toto die and instantly respawn at our location :/

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Bots? Really?
Perhaps just a bad tank?

A lot of the time, it's hard to blame one single person. I will say I've caused very little amount of wipes though, just like I'm sure there are many healers/DPS who can say the say thing. Why? Research.

It's a very big, very open MMO title. I read up on dungeons before I go in there so I know what to expect etc. The same way I know where to aim next for my equipment upgrade. I don't understand how any player thinks they can wander into an MMO and know nothing about what they're doing and do no research.

Worse, when you do have suggestions, people can be so abusive. I got called a c*nt in a group the other day for saying 'What's causing the wipe? Is it a case of low DPS?', met with an abusive response from a black mage. Vote to kick, and it was a unanimous decision. So general people skills also help.

I'm finding now I'm at endgame and doing harder dungeons, I'm suffering the misfortune of playing with these kinds of people much less than when I wasn't at level cap.