PVP Wintrade Exploitation, is this reportable?

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Originally Posted by Nalien

If they only win trade for an hour or two, then if they cannot win trade, that is potentially an hour or two extra they can spend in proper PvP matches, so again, a positive. The only people really likely to out right stop are those who need an easy way, and I really doubt those are the ones doing PvP properly when they're not win trading, anyway. The players who play properly and win trade are not the ones likely to stop outright if win trading goes away.



I agree. Like I've said, win trading is really just a symptom.

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There could be positives, but it doesn't mean they'd outweigh the negatives. :) You can only guess and hope. Why risk it NOW with such a small pool of PvPers? Is enforcing your personal philosophy worth it?

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Originally Posted by Elim

There could be positives, but it doesn't mean they'd outweigh the negatives. :) You can only guess and hope. Why risk it NOW with such a small pool of PvPers? Is enforcing your personal philosophy worth it?

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Again, I don't care if they deal with win traders or not. I'm just playing devils advocate and pointing out that popping a bubble doesn't destroy its contents.

If SE deals with win traders, I doubt they'd do so out of the blue, for the reasons stated, it's much more likely that they'd do so while they make major adjustments to PvP that would hopefully fix the current issues leading to people win trading.

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Originally Posted by Jaykos

How do people even know that win trading is going on??? Do they have their cool vanity armour before you do? Maybe they just grinded harder and put in more time then you have.

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Because people put PFs up for win trade parties.

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Originally Posted by Endorendil

Wintrade fights reduce the number of people that are actually playing PvP, as all the players are just "fighting" each other endlessly. No one will see a lower queue time b/c 8 people engage in wintrading, in fact, assuming that at least some of these 8 people actually want the gear or the achievement (or enjoy it), there would be more players queueing if there were no wintrade fights.

So yes, please, rule this illegal. It can only benefit the actual player base.

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the thing is, those 8 people wouldn't PVP at all if they werent doing it with their friends, so banning win trades wouldnt help. people just wouldnt pvp.

or for instance, say they just want the gear for vanity, once they get that gear they will stop pvp'ing. so it still wouldnt help the system to force them into legit pvp.

IDK... People probably wouldn't trade win if you can start and rank 1 and not get slaughtered every game simply because you don't have gear that requires PvP rank to wear. The problem is that in the general case, if a fresh party just joins pvp, then they will never get a win because regardless of your skill level gear determines who wins fights. Some people probably prefer having a shot at winning than to wait a hour, get murdered in the same amount of time by a rank 30 team (due to gear) and wait another hour for another rank 30 team to slaughter them. With 2 light parties, there can at least be a fair match between people who want to play the game for fun.

Sad thing is that wintrading would not be possible if there was people actually using the 4v4 PVP.

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Originally Posted by Ashgarth

Sad thing is that wintrading would not be possible if there was people actually using the 4v4 PVP.

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people wintrade by choosing stuff like french only. so even if ppl did 4v4 it's unlikely that there would be french or german only ppl doing it. and wintrading would still be possible

I gave it a try. First match, as a healer, entered in less than 5 min. About 5 min inside. 104 wolfmarks on 10 minutes.

Next match. 15 minutes on DF........... Tired of it. End of the try, I go do something else :D

But even winning always, around 100 wolfmaks, that means 120 maches per piece. And sometimes it can be more than 15 minutes to get inside? Come on.... And I thought that Atmas were too much grinding, this is even worse.

And fates and PVP are almost equally not-fun :D

Main reason for people doing this is because pvp is monotous and mind numbingly boring. Almost as bad if not just as bad as hunting for atmas.

Make all the excuses you want about why people are doing it. They don't really matter. People win trade because they can and they should be dealt with.

This "everything should have a shortcut" mindset is getting absurd. Even if they "fixed" PvP you would still have tools doing it.