skill-/spellspeed, why is it still here?

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Originally Posted by Lemon8or

And how much SS is needed to do that? You're sacrificing so much Determination and Critical to achieve that high of a number just so you'd run into TP starvation later on. And when you're TP-starved, you have to wait before you can attack again. Isn't that less exciting?
Here's an analogy: Do you want to hit fast but hit like a wet noodle for 5 minutes or hit hard, just a little bit less fast for 8 minutes?

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Actually its not much sacrifice since I don't do coil or ex primals since I'm a fairly casual player the gloam set has close to enough on it with a few other pieces in there.

The set I am going for is: http://ffxiv.ariyala.com/MFEX
It's pretty low in Crit but its got a decent Det. and tons of Acc. if I decide to do a little coil.

I have only run out of TP a couple of times, but for what I do it is very rare the furthest coil ive done is T1, so for me I just find it more fun to attack faster.

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Originally Posted by wizzed

Hell no. It's a good stat and my scholar is based off spell speed and piety.

A great way to fix it is to allow cds to inherit spell speed as well.

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really? to me I didn't see a big difference in heal speed with spell speed especially considering Selene heals more than i do. i kinda favor Crit and Peity for my sch and just kinda forget about SS and acc.

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Originally Posted by wizzed

Hell no. It's a good stat and my scholar is based off spell speed and piety.

A great way to fix it is to allow cds to inherit spell speed as well.

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You know what's funny about this statement? A White Mage at level 30 gets a skill which doubles her spell speed stat for 10 seconds and even THAT only has the tiniest boost to overall casting speed and recast. In my case it's literally shaving off zero-point-one second from a Raise spell for having 800~ spell speed from 400~. I'm all for letting people build their characters however they want, but really I hope the maths works out better in your case than it does in mine.

it doesn't. ss and piety are not desirable stats for scholar.

Skill and spell speed are critical for some jobs in PVP. Also, I know some BLMs who focus pretty much strictly spell speed and their DPS is quite a bit higher than BLMs who choose not to.

Don't WHMs focus spell speed too?

It'd be nice if Skill Speed affected auto-attack delay.

And I mean it SE, it really needs to scale up TP regen.

Spell Speed is generally fine as-is.

It'd be interesting if Spell Speed acted as a CD reducer too (not just GCD, but long CD buffs/temps).

Or else, add a "Vigor" statistic which affects MP/TP regeneration rates, separate from the Sk/Sp Speed stats.

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Originally Posted by wizzed

Hell no. It's a good stat and my scholar is based off spell speed and piety.

A great way to fix it is to allow cds to inherit spell speed as well.

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Please do some research on SCH stat priorities because those are the two absolute worst secondaries for SCHs.

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Originally Posted by Lemon8or

Spellspeed is good for BLM because you have unlimited MP as resource. Skillspeed is useless because we all have the same TP regen no matter the skillspeed.

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1.) Spellspeed is good for BLM because it has a universal application. The so called "unlimited MP resource" you mention isn't anywhere near as useful as spell speed because it becomes pointless since we BLM's suffer from downtime due to umbral III. Even though a lot of people in this thread just don't want to hear it or see it.

2.) Skill is anything but useless. Yet I'm not surprised that people prefer to see a cup half empty instead of being creative and resourceful with what they get.

3.) You all don't have the same TP regen. Monk gets 400 TP from invigorate. The most optimal time to use it is when you drop to exactly to 600TP. Dragoons get 500TP from invigorate. Paladins and Warriors don't get a TP regen source. Bards get Invigorate, Army's Peon, and Battle Voice and two of those helps every class/job that uses TP aside themselves.

Skill/spellspeed is good for exactly one job, BLM, because their class gimmick involves circumventing resource management, which is the entire reason why skill/spellspeed is not a desired stat to begin with (running out of TP too quickly). Additionally, it has exactly zero impact on damage over time spells, so it's worthless for summoners. Healers don't value it much because healing is much less about pumping out as much HPS as you can and more about choosing the right spells/targets, resource management, reacting quickly with clutch heals and so on.

Ultimately all the stat would need to make it a valued stat is to have it increase the rate of resource regeneration. However I have to wonder if this is even possible, since it seems like *everything* in this game works on the same 3 second server tickrate and it may not be possible to change this without modifications to the underlying architecture of the game.

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Originally Posted by Alkimi

(..) avoided like the plague by SMN.

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Really that terrible? um... i like your comment, its fitting ;)
Still strange that SE try to give us SS equip, maybe because we share equip with BLM :(