SE - Default 3rd Retainer before Fees

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Originally Posted by cearka

agreed. I don't know any other group of people that will gripe and moan over two dollars as much as gamers do. Paying a sub doesn't mean your entitled to everything. That's like saying you wanna walk into a car dealership and you wanna pay a base model price to get car that's fully loaded with all upgrades. paying for a meal/drink and always expecting the largest size. seriously, most everything you buy in life can be found in tiered packages, with add ons, upgrades, whatnot. but I guess many gamers are to entitled to understand that.

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Your analogies are awful. How about: you pay for a car and the extended warranty, which includes free repairs at the dealership. Only, they give you the repairs for free and charge you an arm and a leg for the parts.


Or: You go to a restaurant and order a burger with the works. You assume it means Lettuce, tomato, onion, ketchup, mustard (or mayonnaise), etc. They give you that medium burger, plain, on a dry bun; Condiments cost 2 more dollars.

Those are the correct analogies. You go in thinking you are fully paying for something only to have the company cut corners to line their own pockets. companies made huge profits long before DLC or F2P was even a thing. Do not excuse greed simply because the companies want you to.

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Originally Posted by Lurkios

You make a good point. They should probably charge us for the new Coil turns as well, I mean, we already have 5 of them - right?

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Your reaching aside, how is retainer's anywhere near close to end-game content? I really want to see the logic used.

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Originally Posted by Delsai

Entitled much?

Seriously, why don't SE just pay you cash every time you log in?

This generation is doomed.

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With plenty of players who will bend over and let companies like Square do whatever they please to you, you bet it is.

Three starting cities, 1 retainer per city as the baseline. That's how it should have been from the beginning.

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Originally Posted by 10TailBeast

With plenty of players who will bend over and let companies like Square do whatever they please to you, you bet it is.

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Originally Posted by Tupsi

Your reaching aside, how is retainer's anywhere near close to end-game content? I really want to see the logic used.

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Assume two separate players, extra retainers that can sell and constant demand for the stuff they sell. One player with with two retainers, one with 3 (or more). Both players want to get this "X-item(s)" that will be crucial(but not mandatory) for end-game raiding progression. However, its costs, material wise and tips are up above the sky. They need to make money to acquire it. Both start selling the same stuff, player two however has a wider market, and more lee-way to undercut people. Player two also has extra retainers for venturing that will gain extra gil here and there. Player two will have more monopoly on the market compared to player one.

Player two gets the money s/he needed, while player one is still playing and selling.

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Originally Posted by chocomaid

It's not being entitled, it's about giving players the means to expand their own abilities and possibilities without charging them real money. Some games I know give you the means to do so, some of them are stupidly hard to accomplish or just so expensive that it's just almost impossible to get unless you scrape your way up slowly, but regardless, the option is there. The developers give you new items to look and go for, new items to craft but they also take into account that you'll need more space. So, they give you new craftable bags that has a bigger limit.

As some people say, they might as well charge us to raid, to get new crafting recipes and whatnot if they are going to charge us something that is going to affect the balance between people.

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How about instead of asking for a free hand out, you ask them to consider an extra retainer as a veteran reward then, that seems much more realistic.

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Originally Posted by Chasely

Your analogies are awful. How about: you pay for a car and the extended warranty, which includes free repairs at the dealership. Only, they give you the repairs for free and charge you an arm and a leg for the parts.


Or: You go to a restaurant and order a burger with the works. You assume it means Lettuce, tomato, onion, ketchup, mustard (or mayonnaise), etc. They give you that medium burger, plain, on a dry bun; Condiments cost 2 more dollars.

Those are the correct analogies. You go in thinking you are fully paying for something only to have the company cut corners to line their own pockets. companies made huge profits long before DLC or F2P was even a thing. Do not excuse greed simply because the companies want you to.

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Actually those analogies are wrong ... because ... THEY ALREADY GAVE YOU TWO RETAINER.

You have a choice and its not being forced on you at all, stop acting like a baby, either throw some of that crap you are hoarding or pay for an extra retainer.

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Originally Posted by Jinko

How about instead of asking for a free hand out, you ask them to consider an extra retainer as a veteran reward then, that seems much more realistic.

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It's not free if you're already paying for the game.

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Originally Posted by Jinko

How about instead of asking for a free hand out, you ask them to consider an extra retainer as a veteran reward then, that seems much more realistic.

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Are you seriously suggesting that STORAGE SPACE should be veteran award? Wow.

In other games crafters would just sell bigger bags which players would equip, but in this game you can't use bags, probably due to some stupid excuses such as "limited server capacity for which we need more than your subscription money to maintain".

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Originally Posted by Chasely

Or: You go to a restaurant and order a burger with the works. You assume it means Lettuce, tomato, onion, ketchup, mustard (or mayonnaise), etc. They give you that medium burger, plain, on a dry bun; Condiments cost 2 more dollars.

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No. The proper analogy would be ordering a double cheeseburger, asking for a third burger patty and then expecting the burger to still cost the same.

Everyone knows that a double cheeseburger only comes with two patties, that having three patties would be great, that even with just two patties the burger still tastes great and isn't losing out on anything major, and that if you really wanted a third patty it's worth the additional cost.

Not having that third patty doesn't ruin the meal. You've still got two meaty patties that fill you up. Could you be fuller? Sure. But if you want that extra of course it's going to come at a cost.

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Originally Posted by chocomaid

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You do realize sending your retainer venturing to get 7 eggs for example is far less efficient than going out and getting them yourself, as they stated (and we even seen) it could take 1-18 hours for far less than you can get in even 30 minutes.

Depending on congestion, a stack or more in an hour versus 21 eggs in 3 hours..which is more efficient? More power to you if you feel the difference between $2 is going to be so huge to the point 1 person can make more money than the other, but unless the amount you gain per venturing changes, someone who only has 2 won't lose such a huge profit over someone who has 3+ if the current economic trends continue, hell if anything undercutting will probably be more of an issue now.