Which job has the lowest skill cap?

EDIT2: OK, read it correctly now

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Originally Posted by Kuroyasha

if you only atk from the flank on mnk then you are not hittin the skill cap/optimizing dps. Not by a long shot.

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SMN is much more complex than BLM. Yes, they base their damage on DoTs, but have several of the same problems as BLM, namely, they still have cast bars and moving disrupts their DPS. If they have to move while reapplying Misasma or Bio2...that can be considered as bad, if not worse than when a BLM has to move.

And then there is their pet, something no BLM has to worry about at all. Only bad SMN set their pet and forget about it; good SMN actively move it and use its abilities, and switch its target when needed. And if the pet dies, the SMN's DPS suffers until they can resummon and reposition it, hopefully not at the cost of applying a DoT or using Fester as well (which can make it even worse)

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Originally Posted by Madoka

That's what he means.

A really good smn, an ok smn and a bad smn are all very easy to notice. Less so now that thunder's gone but still easy.

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Well that can be said of any class imo. I interpreted the response to say my "set it and forget it" feel to smn was the same as a mnk only flanking. However what I described was what I feel while optimizing the dps. So I wouldn't say it's the smn equivalent to an only-flanking mnk b/c the monk is not optimizing if he/she only flanks. Thus I responded with that earlier response.

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Originally Posted by PArcher

EDIT2: OK, read it correctly now



SMN is much more complex than BLM. Yes, they base their damage on DoTs, but have several of the same problems as BLM, namely, they still have cast bars and moving disrupts their DPS. If they have to move while reapplying Misasma or Bio2...that can be considered as bad, if not worse than when a BLM has to move.

And then there is their pet, something no BLM has to worry about at all. Only bad SMN set their pet and forget about it; good SMN actively move it and use its abilities, and switch its target when needed. And if the pet dies, the SMN's DPS suffers until they can resummon and reposition it, hopefully not at the cost of applying a DoT or using Fester as well (which can make it even worse)

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Yes Im aware of what it takes to be a good smn. I just don't find it that difficult. I mean i dont find any of these "difficult" really, but in my exp with the class it's ability to do dmg while on the move through dot and garuda make it easier for me.

"Set and forget" on SMN is the same as "flank only monk" is what he and I were getting at.

You're being a bad SMN doing that

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Originally Posted by Hali

It's not always the party's fault. Overhealing and wasting MP on pointless cures are the prime suspect in nigh every single case. That combined with improper usage of Shroud of Saints can result in an empty MP pool and the WHM screaming at a BRD for MP, when the BRD was boosting the damage of the nearby casters and now has to gimp his own DPS. If this were an intensive damage segment, such as Ifrit Ex nail phase or Titan Ex Super bomb/ heart phase, I'd quite rightly tell them to shove it and cast requiem for the casters.
A side note, a SCH that runs out of MP is laughable to the highest degree.

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So healers who run out of mp suck?

I find summoner challenging simply because of the number of cooldowns that are happening through the 'bigger' fights

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Originally Posted by Giyari

So healers who run out of mp suck?

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I could just say "read my post correctly," but I'll explain what I mean. I feel I worded myself incorrectly and gave the wrong image across.

You can have a perfect party in which everyone dodges perfectly and only the tanks take damage. You will however occasionally get Derpy McFartpants who will pointlessly cure bomb and run them self dry on MP. Or they will be sat on 2000MP and be yelling for MP, because they used SoS at the wrong time and are scared of dropping below some magic number of 2000. This is the type of healer I'm having a stab at.
Or you can have a crappy party in which people constantly get hit, tanks don't use cool downs and the other healer is derping around. This situation would result in absurd levels of MP consumption. A healer in this situation is not the type of healer I'm having a stab at.


"Insult a tank or DD and no one bats an eye. Insult a healer though, and everybody loses their mind!"

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A side note, a SCH that runs out of MP is laughable to the highest degree.

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Perhaps not "run out of MP", but going REALLY down on Twintania is possible.

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Originally Posted by Alcyon1

Perhaps not "run out of MP", but going REALLY down on Twintania is possible.

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A SCH that runs out of MP on any fight that isn't T4-T5 is laughable to the highest degree.

Fixed? :3

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Originally Posted by Madoka

"Set and forget" on SMN is the same as "flank only monk" is what he and I were getting at.

You're being a bad SMN doing that

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And "set and forget" is the feeling i said i have when im playing smn. that does not mean all i do is place dots and literally forget(or literally neglect) everything else i should be doing as a smn. That was the point of it being in quotes and the point of me describing it as a feeling.

I do not see how a feeling i get while properly optimizing dps on a smn equates to a mnk literally not optimizing dps by only flanking.

Huh. I have the polar opposite feel as most of these posts it seems. Guess I'm different. But from easiest to hardest as I've experienced so far (and admittedly, I'm not fully grown on most of these, it's just what I've experienced so far and extrapolated while taking into account skills I haven't gotten yet), I'd have to go with this list:

DRG < BLM <SMN < MNK < BRD

Why? Because to me, rotations make a class easy. Dragoon has minimal position requirements or changes between ability sets and because I can muscle memory the next ability to hit it makes it really easy to do. So why is Monk up higher? Because I have a hard time remembering which ability has which position requirement, and it seems to me that there is a lot more moving back and forth to be done. And it isn't consistent while you're keeping your buffs and ability stacks up.

The reason why Bard is ranked highest for me, is because of a lack of an actual rotation (like the Dragoon's). Because for me to maximize the DPS I do while pewpewing with pointy sticks I have to watch out for ability procs of multiple abilities, pay way more attention to weaving oGCD abilities in, all the while still keeping enough attention to what's going on around me to dodge out of the way of something.

Rotations, for me, make things easier because I always know that after I hit 2 I am going to hit 3. Can't really do that with a Bard. After I hit 2 sometimes I can hit 3, though I may have to hit 8 9 or 0 instead.