Bring back open world NM/HNM - Reinheart's version

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Originally Posted by Lumiin

Ew vanity drops on elite mobs/world bosses
/shudder

At this point, I'm game for open world anything that isn't a fate.

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I understand that it would be nice if good gear drops from NM/HNM but doing that is going to cause drama on the open world, reason why I think it's better with stuff that's not useful towards increasing your player stats but instead something really cool that everyone would want their hands on but requires team effort (atleast for HNM)

Once they can do the HNM's right maybe use the Dhroma Chimera style instance where it's section of a open world map to do HNM Hard Mode or Ex Mode with good gear drops then it'll be less drama. Like regular HNM drops HNM tokens you collect 5 to get HNM HM battle token or something, just an idea.

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Originally Posted by Soulscare

Why put your name in the title like your opinion bears some special significance? >.>

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I'm not one to try and raise someone up higher than anyone else. However the man translates information from Japanese to English (for free) that never gets translated later by the devs. Let that sink in a little bit.

Maybe they could tie treasure hunt or another system like it into this. The idea would be to get a treasure map, use it to spawn an NM that your FC takes on, which drops a pop item that can't be sold on auction. Your FC would use this item to spawn the next tier. I didn't get too much into HNM's in FFXI but I think the idea I'm getting at was called ZNM's on that game?

They should bring back the NM leves.
The normal leves can give points again (around 10 points each leve). If you have earned enough points (500 - 900) you can buy a special leve in the adventure guild.
This special leve spawn then a NM that only the party from the leve starter can fight (no change to the current claim system is needed).
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bg0T5UHO8kY

They can also bring the other special leves back, that was funny. Like 2 bosses that need to be killed in 10 minutes and are on opposite places of the zone.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QLB1F6gIIHk

Or a leve where you need to reach a NPC in a very short time and there are aggro monsters on the way which you don't should attack because the timer would run out. But they attack you if you don't sneak past them.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tXzXgYxIEeg

Another example: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gN-KeG54smI

In short, the tool for open world content with no zerg-fest and claim-war is already here. SE need only to build on it (again).

It's like Reinheart said, FATE's aren't bad things. They're quite fun and all but simply doesn't work for NM/HNM. The problem with Behemot and Odin(and many other of the singular NM types) are that we're fighting a single opponent who just stands there and take our hits. No special gimmicks, no breaks, only the occasional dodge and Odin is the rare case where one needs to destroy his lances(even though I have no clue what they even do!)

All the NM/HNM FATE are dull, boring, bland. As people said, you just faceroll over the keyboard and still win. Simply because you're backed up by the entire server(manner of speaking) bashing on that one NM. There's honestly only two things that those NM/HNM FATE needs.

1) Make things less chaotic and more clear.

Let's all admit, NM/HNM FATE battles are nothing more than a big firework explosion show. Yes we can turn those down in the option but then things become dull. Most of the time, I don't even see what is going on or what attack is coming my way. I'm to this day still not satisfied with the ingame battle fx. Still too flashy to my taste but oh well.


2) Immersion & Pacing

I honestly believe this to be the major issue of it all. What I would love to see from those NM's is a better sense of immersion. But MOST DEFINATELY PACING. To elaborate on this. During all NM fates we just stand there and keep hitting said NM until he dies.

Why? Because the NM will never move around or do things that break the pace of the battle. NM's should take flight in the air, making them invulnerable as they summon their minions or cast their attacks from a safe place. Breaking the pace of the battle where we just stand there and whack the same thing. Make us do something else, make us take a breather, anything that breaks the monotony of just standing there.


I'm going to take 3 examples for this.

Good examples: Svara/Ghorghimera

This is a FATE that stands out among all in my opinion. A multi-stage FATE that leads to the final destination and battle against Svara. During the final two stages, mobs spawn quite spread out from each other. Creating an actual feel of a battle and providing way less clutter. The final battle against Svara himself also has his minions spawn throughout the secluded battlefield. Again serving t spread people around. While Ghorghimera who is just a static HNM still has his adds that spawn and his voices and breaths that still prove it a challenge.

Bad example: Odin/Behemot

Both of them just...pop. No build up, no anticipation, nothing. We just engage and gang up on them. Whacking our weapons on their bodies as if it was a random lynching. Even making poor Behemoth run to his hideout while we chase after him with our torches and pitching forks to keep bullying him down, steal his horns and trade for silly gear.

Example to slightly improve behemot:

- Make him climb the mountain that we saw him roaring from on the trailer during the fight. Let him stay there as he keeps summoning tons of tornadoes, drop boulders, summon minions. And during the chaos of dodging and/or killing, make Behemot jump back down amidst the crowd sending everyone flying away.


Guild Wars 2 excelled in these FATE like encounters. Because they did this right. The large battles were engaging, had different phases, built up nicely, required different things. You were rarely just standing there being bored. S-E can learn from them.

Whatever happened to the roaming primals an FC has to defeat, train up to full power and then be able to summon once in battle, changing the weather worldwide? "Primals will be nothing like in 1.23!", they said, "Better farm your primal weapons now!", they said.

Yes, please make it open world. It felt really short traveling to places. I know for some people, it seems like it could be so far away, but there's teleports and chocobos. I just love riding chocobos and taking a stroll in an open world. Maybe add airships or make chocobos flyable like in FFIX that stays a little closer to the map rather than above it.

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Originally Posted by Velthice

The only thing I know about him is he has bad ideas that involve the revival of NMs.

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How can adding NMs be a bad idea? I personally would love something to do other than level and dungeons... Well i guess there is pvp but... :rolleyes:

The NMs in 1.0 spawned about every three minutes and dropped a variety of different gear. I still have a ton if it. Bring something like that back. It was really fun getting a few friends together to hunt NMs and the respawn time was fantastic.

I always like the ToAU Zeni NM system of XI. well without the photo taking part, but the general idea of the tiered system. killing something, getting access to something stronger and so. and with a bit of luck you could even fight a real monster at the end (hey Pandemonium Warden, hopefully not as stupid as this one though) Of course you either have to limit how often you could fight those mobs or bring back the well known SE drop rates.