Personally, I'd rather you scrap the Armoury System then Lock 1 Job to 1 Weapon.

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Originally Posted by TheVedis

but classes will still remain more versitile
based on what theyve said before, jobs will specialize, youll get bonuses and penalties for using them
youll have abilities locked out, and unique to your job if you use them

thats JOBS, not CLASSES they are doing that too

the various abilities getting changed are moreso geared towards the battle changes in general(auto attack for instance) along with some adjustment for the new job system

basicaly, alot of the most powerful abilities will probly become more restricted, but alot of that is already how it is now(well some of it is anyway)

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your not realizing something, players willl force people to use their "jobs". Which will bring in "jobs" of the mnth , long party waits, cookie cutting pretty muchg all that stupid bs from ffxi.

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Originally Posted by Kilta_Firelotus

your not realizing something, players willl force people to use their "jobs". Which will bring in "jobs" of the mnth , long party waits, cookie cutting pretty muchg all that stupid bs from ffxi.

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elitism? whoever heard of that

glad im in a shell that wont promote it

but if a job is better for you, why wouldnt you want to use it if itl help you out?

oh i forgot, you dont like to do things normaly, you like to gimp yourself and give everything away from free

there is character uniqueness as we had the chance to create our own classes. You talking about that stupid class uniqueness. No matter what chances are everyone is going to need to level all classes to get all the jobs. And be forced to play under certain ones. Not everyone will have a healing spell on 100% of the time in a party if they do not need to. I always had a fire or thunder spell on my classes because I like melee and casting.

It was stupid complaints from the min/maxers beung scared they can't comtroll the game. Thanks guys... for making this game that will bring back all that bs from ffxi. :)

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Originally Posted by TheVedis

elitism? whoever heard of that

glad im in a shell that wont promote it

but if a job is better for you, why wouldnt you want to use it if itl help you out?

oh i forgot, you dont like to do things normaly, you like to gimp yourself and give everything away from free

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So using any job presented could be gimping yourself? Then I'd say the game is broken. If it's not equal among the classes, then why would anyone want to take up other classes/jobs and gimping themselves in the process?

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Originally Posted by TheVedis

elitism? whoever heard of that

glad im in a shell that wont promote it

but if a job is better for you, why wouldnt you want to use it if itl help you out?

oh i forgot, you dont like to do things normaly, you like to gimp yourself and give everything away from free

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You the one gimping yourself into being restricted to a single role. The more roles a person can do for a party the better they are. :) I was a very good player in ffxi and WoW i take pride in my jobs. I didn't need the "best" to be good that is the point of enjoyment.

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Originally Posted by Eldaena

So using any job presented could be gimping yourself? Then I'd say the game is broken. If it's not equal among the classes, then why would anyone want to take up other classes/jobs and gimping themselves in the process?

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actualy, it was more a stab at the person i replied too
theyve openly stated they like to gimp themselves, give gear away for free(cuz its evil to charge for anything) and so on and so forth



my actual point in the gimping though is this

yes, you can use or not use a job, some people will consider you "gimped" if you dont use them im sure, but until we see the job first hand itl be hard to tell

Maybe i wanna be a pugalist and not equip monk, cuz by equipping it i can no longer equip healing spells that let me solo?
BUT in a group, i wanna be a monk to maximize damage since i will have a healer

in this case, BOTH have their advantages, wethers its maximizing efficiency or gimping

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Originally Posted by Eldaena

So using any job presented could be gimping yourself? Then I'd say the game is broken. If it's not equal among the classes, then why would anyone want to take up other classes/jobs and gimping themselves in the process?

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they saying not using a job= gimp. Which is a pathetic terms from the imature children gamers. :) Gimp players are the bad players no batter if they are in the best or worst gear. If they can't be skillful in their ability usage they are gimped players. :)

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Originally Posted by Kilta_Firelotus

final fantasy is all about hybrids actually. And no they are not lame. Hybrids are more versitile then a job that does a single role. Look up red mage :) it could serve a good number of roles. The purpose of the current system is look for players not classes or jobs. Not having cookie cutting. Elder scrolls and fable also favores hybrids. In TES your everything.

You guys seem to be missing the point. Just because a player can get everyskill doesn't mean they can use every skill at once. You can create custom builds to do what you want That is also usefull in the party.

If specializing a class that was before not normal in mmo and make them pretty much ffxi jobs with out a subjob. I much rather have a hybrid. I want to fit any role needed for a party. That way I'm not spending 10 hours sitting around waiting for a party invite due to the flavor of the mnth jobs in ffxi.

I can name any final fantasy game where each character can be really any role.

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yes ff is base on hybrid like RDM but they still have a role matter how much you can hybrid you still end up making something if you make a mage in ff12 that use white mage black mage and time mage spell but also have a sword you made a red mage which in FF history is a hybrid role class they not better then a war,whm,blm,time mage but they make up for it with there own spell like endspell.

I don't mind the hybrid system but limit it, it really dumb seeing a Pug walking around with Cure2 and best spell just because he level other class to 50. at least make it like FFXI if cure is level 2 you can't use it on Pug too your level 4 that would make more sense then seeing a Pug with level 2-5 version of lancer spell on a level 1 class.

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Originally Posted by TheVedis

actualy, it was more a stab at the person i replied too
theyve openly stated they like to gimp themselves, give gear away for free(cuz its evil to charge for anything) and so on and so forth



my actual point in the gimping though is this

yes, you can use or not use a job, some people will consider you "gimped" if you dont use them im sure, but until we see the job first hand itl be hard to tell

Maybe i wanna be a pugalist and not equip monk, cuz by equipping it i can no longer equip healing spells that let me solo?
BUT in a group, i wanna be a monk to maximize damage since i will have a healer

in this case, BOTH have their advantages, wethers its maximizing efficiency or gimping

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your twisting stuff. I never said it was evil to charge. I just perfer to not be rewarded if I'm just happy to help someone seriously stop harrassing me and grow the f up. Do what you did again and i'm gonna report you for harrassment.

BTW maximisoing dmg don't = efficiency. being skillful is.

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Originally Posted by TheVedis

actualy, it was more a stab at the person i replied too
theyve openly stated they like to gimp themselves, give gear away for free(cuz its evil to charge for anything) and so on and so forth



my actual point in the gimping though is this

yes, you can use or not use a job, some people will consider you "gimped" if you dont use them im sure, but until we see the job first hand itl be hard to tell

Maybe i wanna be a pugalist and not equip monk, cuz by equipping it i can no longer equip healing spells that let me solo?
BUT in a group, i wanna be a monk to maximize damage since i will have a healer

in this case, BOTH have their advantages, wethers its maximizing efficiency or gimping

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I don't think it's gimping at all if they are just different. We'll have to see though...if they make it necessary to have a few of the abilities of a certain job for a particular fight or dungeon, etc...then I think that will be very unfair and forcing people to possibly use a class or find someone to be in their party to play that job, or else fail. That's where elitism comes in. That is where equality between classes and jobs leaves. I think it's important for all classes and jobs to be a beneficial addition to any team in their own unique way, but also not necessarily...necessary for success. It's hard to explain.