Awfully weak story... or is it? [WARNING:SPOILERS]

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Originally Posted by Nica

tbh bluemage, the logic you're using is starting to sound like those who thinks that what Germany/Japan did in WW2 were actually good.

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And Godwin's law strikes again.

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Originally Posted by Gamemako

And Godwin's law strikes again.

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you sir, win.

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Originally Posted by Nica

tbh bluemage, the logic you're using is starting to sound like those who thinks that what Germany/Japan did in WW2 were actually good.

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Actually, I'm pointing out that all sides have committed crimes. But then, you seem the type who believes that America is always "the pure good guyz" and has never ever committed war crimes. Ironically, the country that was founded on "We're gonna forcibly take over these people's land with our superior technology." and still goes by that motto today. Sounds a bit like Garlemald.

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Originally Posted by BlueMage

Yet you're the one who believes in a dictator: the admiral.

I'm just pointing out that Gaius uses the same justification as Admiral: establishing order.

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Ok, good. What's your point then ? I clearly stated in my very first post Gaius is not "evil" but on a different fence. It's not a monodimentional villain, he have a good side like a bad side. Still, we are on different sides, and such we are enemies.

since i'm italian, i'll make an hystorical reference: Mussolini. It did lots of good things: reclaim swamps, giving jobs, , food, building structures. Still, he was a crueless men, who negated every opposition by the force, he endorsed the racial laws of Hitles, he indoctrinated (like the garleans) the new generations to believe the fascism was good and invincible. Since he made good thing too, then this negate all the bad he did ?

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Originally Posted by BlueMage

Admit? I've been trying to make the point from the start that they're both capable of evil. Way to not read the thread and blindly attack though.

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If you seriously believe that was me 'attacking' you, then you are too blindsided from nerd rage to actually have a coherent thought. (That's an attack right there)

You were justifying on page 2 why it's better to chill with Gaius than any of the other city state leaders. He is worse than they are by miles (malms?), well maybe not Limsa, and you think you'd rather fight for him? You don't get a choice of anything when you're in his camp. It's the Garlean indoctrinated way or death. Period. End of story.

Everyone knows they're both capable of evil, but you're early points were that Gaius and the Garleans were some how less evil and in a sense better than the city state leaders. Which isn't true.

@Nero: I forget whom in this thread, but they said he wasn't a crazy murderer... apparently that person forgot when he gets introduced and straight up killed a guy. A guy that I think may have been a spy, but it doesn't outright say it. Still he kills him and anyone that gets in his way of surpassing Cid as the heir apparent to engineering power.

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Originally Posted by Enkidoh

Summoning a moon (to say nothing of the sleeping dragon Primal inside it) to crash into Eorzea? I don't think you can get any more evil than that.

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I don't know about you, but these guys summoned a moon to crash into the land and destroy their enemy, yet they are treated as the good guys :P
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OAcbSvmixPw

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Originally Posted by BlueMage

Yet you're the one who believes in a dictator: the admiral.

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a dictator who got her position by winning a boat race, and can easily lose it in the next :3

'Til sea swallows all!

One thing that stood out to me is when Gaius is face to face with Garuda and she tries to enthrall him she says something along the lines of him already being enthralled by another primal... something along the lines of "You have already been touched by her". So I always assumed Gaius was being manipulated by another Primal, also a female (maybe Shiva?) to erase the primal threat and save the aether and the lands of Eorzea for her. Unless I missed something else. So my thought is there may be a larger primal threat who is using the empire to gather the aether for themselves.

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Originally Posted by AnimaAnimus

One thing that stood out to me is when Gaius is face to face with Garuda and she tries to enthrall him she says something along the lines of him already being enthralled by another primal... something along the lines of "You have already been touched by her". So I always assumed Gaius was being manipulated by another Primal, also a female (maybe Shiva?) to erase the primal threat and save the aether and the lands of Eorzea for her. Unless I missed something else. So my thought is there may be a larger primal threat who is using the empire to gather the aether for themselves.

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I thought it was along the lines of an Ascian or Zodiark or something like that, not a normal primal, but something far more powerful.

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Originally Posted by AnimaAnimus

One thing that stood out to me is when Gaius is face to face with Garuda and she tries to enthrall him she says something along the lines of him already being enthralled by another primal... something along the lines of "You have already been touched by her". So I always assumed Gaius was being manipulated by another Primal, also a female (maybe Shiva?) to erase the primal threat and save the aether and the lands of Eorzea for her. Unless I missed something else. So my thought is there may be a larger primal threat who is using the empire to gather the aether for themselves.

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That's the PC whom garuda tried to enthrall, ans she was talking about Hydaelyn....

and then Gaius proceeds to curb stomp all three summoned primals with Ultima Weapon :3