In regards to quitters

I think 24 hours may be a bit much for a one time offense, but is fine for repeat offenders. Sometimes things just happen.

However (as we've seen multiple times here), a lot of people like to grief the DF. I've had people go into AK, look at everyone's gear, and leave. I also remember way back someone mentioned a tank who AFKed at the start of the duty, came back, asked how long DPS had been waiting, laughed at them, and left. For those kinds of people, I think 24 hours is justified.

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Originally Posted by Molly_Millions

I saw this for the first time yesterday. The tank left at the third pull of AK. Didn't say a word, just bounced. How is anyone supposed to fix what they did wrong if people just leave without at least attempting to address it?

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To be fair, you don't know the exact reasoning the tank left unexpected yesterday. For instance, I was doing Titan runs yesterday with my FC and had to leave unexpectedly as tornadoes ravaged my area of central Illinois. Maybe your tank left because he/she was a d-bag. Maybe there was a legit issue, like mine.

There's not fix SE can do either way. Closest "fix" is to make the dungeon in progress a default. Heavier penalties for leaving won't do anything positive but cause more people to just AFK (until a vote kick is in place....even then, vote kicks have their own issues). The only real fix is making groups with your friends and/or FC/LS people you know.

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Originally Posted by mythicrose

To be fair, you don't know the exact reasoning the tank left unexpected yesterday. For instance, I was doing Titan runs yesterday with my FC and had to leave unexpectedly as tornadoes ravaged my area of central Illinois. Maybe your tank left because he/she was a d-bag. Maybe there was a legit issue, like mine.

There's not fix SE can do either way. Closest "fix" is to make the dungeon in progress a default. Heavier penalties for leaving won't do anything positive but cause more people to just AFK (until a vote kick is in place....even then, vote kicks have their own issues). The only real fix is making groups with your friends and/or FC/LS people you know.

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No, I don't. But that's exactly my complaint. A quick "/p emergency guys, gotta go" would have been good enough though. He had time enough to open the df menu and select leave, so I don't think a quick notice to the party was too much to ask.

I think the only way to do it is give people more chances (as some people leave for legitimate reasons) but still impose a harsher time penalty.

e.g. You get the 15 minute penalty three times. Then if you accumulate that penalty the three times, it goes up to an hour. That way if you are leaving for real reasons that often, you won't be too bothered about being locked out for an hour and it still should deter the trolls a little. They can then keep increasing it from there onwards.

I have left before if I felt I was the reason the team was being held back (when I was learning a dungeon) and I knew they could quickly replace me, but I told the party in advance. The only other time I would leave would be in the case of abusive speech. One round of smack is expected by immature people, but there is no reason to put up with it.

I am not going to skip out because of wipes. How can anyone learn without practice and how can anyone be expected to be perfect be without being given the chance to learn?

We had one wipe in HM Garuda last night due to a new tank learning placement. A DPS leaves. You can not refill those spots and otherwise it was a great party. That needs to be changed.

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Originally Posted by Molly_Millions

No, I don't. But that's exactly my complaint. A quick "/p emergency guys, gotta go" would have been good enough though. He had time enough to open the df menu and select leave, so I don't think a quick notice to the party was too much to ask.

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Though I agree with you (hell, I stated it over TS as the emergency sirens were going off), it's DF. Courtesy, friendless, etc....are often lacking. SE will not have a way to solve the DF mannerisms. I doubt the upcoming prestige/voting system remedies the general asshatclown-douchebagginitis.

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Originally Posted by NekoHina

We had one wipe in HM Garuda last night due to a new tank learning placement. A DPS leaves. You can not refill those spots and otherwise it was a great party. That needs to be changed.

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I also wish the primal trials could be replenished.

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Originally Posted by Molly_Millions

No, I don't. But that's exactly my complaint. A quick "/p emergency guys, gotta go" would have been good enough though. He had time enough to open the df menu and select leave, so I don't think a quick notice to the party was too much to ask.

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I've had to do that before too. I have 4 kids, all boys, they hurt themselves often... when one comes out with a bloody nose, I let the party know and that it takes priority, apologize, then leave. Communication is key, even if you are on a PS3 and no keyboard, you can still communicate. If you dont say you are new, how do we know to teach you the fights (had a fun 3 runs with PUG ifrit where the same PLD tank kept comin in and not stunning once...)

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Originally Posted by Molly_Millions

I saw this for the first time yesterday. The tank left at the third pull of AK. Didn't say a word, just bounced. How is anyone supposed to fix what they did wrong if people just leave without at least attempting to address it?

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Agreed. In a perfect gaming world, we would gather the players willing to work together into 1 FC & enjoy the game. Alas, a perfect gaming world does not exist & sadly never will. :(

I've seen ppl struggling in certain dungeons to the point when joining they are like "Please don't leave or quit. We know where we mess up." I'm like kewl np. I get it. How are ppl suppose to get better or try to learn, if we don't give them the opportunity to do so? I mean you can watch a vid over & over, have friends explain it, but honestly until you step in there firsthand & try it yourself, it's a whole different story.

DF can work... sometimes be great! For the most part look for a guild that really works together & irons out those 'bumps.' They are out there. If we could all just keep in mind not everyone is a phenomenal player bc everyone is different. We can still have a great gaming experience & feel good about helping each other along the way! :cool:

When DPS piss me off, I get to the final boss in either AK or WP and just go AFK for like 20 minutes, come back let DF find me new dps and heals. Lol and hope that the DPS learned there lesson.

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Originally Posted by Grailer

I dunno Ive just wasted 45 mins because I had to quit . There is no gear score in this game , but having run AK over 100 times I have a good idea of what gear it takes to dps the wall .

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Is it possible to fail the DPS check at the wall? My primary method of myth farming since I hit 50 was queuing up for AK solo. I started in AF gear, lvl 55 weapon and white lvl 45 accessories (unmelded) and I've never been in a group that's failed the wall more than once (and it was never due to DPS).

You don't have defiance up before the bees spawn, do you?