Castrum grind might stop me from subbing

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Originally Posted by Shuon

just curious, what would make you sub?

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1.0 controller style

CM Praetorium AK there's one more dungeon can't think of the name and even primals with a good party are downed fast enough to farm really sounds like the OP is just wanting shit handed to him while on easy mode.

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Originally Posted by Atrious

Before you open your mouth up anymore for SE's peen, he has a right to state his concerns. AK takes forever, and CM is repetitive. 2 ways of really getting these tomes. There were to be more dungeons at release but instead we are stuck with this stale shit you white knight

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This kids, is an example of a way you should never bring your point across to people.

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Originally Posted by Atrious

Before you open your mouth up anymore for SE's peen, he has a right to state his concerns. AK takes forever, and CM is repetitive. 2 ways of really getting these tomes. There were to be more dungeons at release but instead we are stuck with this stale shit you white knight

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Before you open your mouth at all and call everyone a white knight, people have the right to disagree with his concerns.

Say what you will about WoW, it did the "pre-raid" phase better. Since BC there's been 9+ dungeons to farm, all dropping unique loot in addition to dungeon currency, there was reputation gear, and crafting gear was actually affordable.

While there may be other methods of obtaining tomes besides CM, CM is the only one that can be reliably done quickly in the DF. AK runs are often slow or dissolve at second boss, Praetorium runs will be much slower than CM + longer queue, primals give such a pathetic amount that it's not appropriate to call it a "viable" farming method. In order to make AK/Prae farming efficient you need to form a premade which takes additional time and effort...and at the end of the day you're still running the same instance over and over.

Castrum grind isn't really the only way, my logic is it's highly advised you get your +1 relic weapon before doing Binding coil (yes I am aware you CAN run in with a garuda weapon and something like Toxotes for first turn). This means you have to do 24 AK runs over 3 weeks, (assuming you don't grind HM primals for the last 20 myth tomes in which case it's 21), this nets you 1880 to 2120 Philosophy tomes JUST from your first clear of TP/CM, and your AKs for Myth tomes.

Now yes there's still a LOT of tomes that leaves missing, and I agree the CM grind sucks, personally I'd much prefer to do WoW's first-tier jp grind again because hey...at least there was more than one dungeon to do it in!

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Originally Posted by Raxion

Just reaching my Mythology cap for two weeks has netted me enough tomes to gear an entire second class in full DL.

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Ok this guy is completely full of shit one weeks cap gets you 600 philosophy so two weeks is 1200 and he claims that was enough for a FULL DL set.... Please make your bullshit semi believable.

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Originally Posted by dontcare

Say what you will about WoW, it did the "pre-raid" phase better. Since BC there's been 9+ dungeons to farm, all dropping unique loot in addition to dungeon currency, there was reputation gear, and crafting gear was actually affordable.

While there may be other methods of obtaining tomes besides CM, CM is the only one that can be reliably done quickly in the DF. AK runs are often slow or dissolve at second boss, Praetorium runs will be much slower than CM + longer queue, primals give such a pathetic amount that it's not appropriate to call it a "viable" farming method. In order to make AK/Prae farming efficient you need to form a premade which takes additional time and effort...and at the end of the day you're still running the same instance over and over.

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Couldn't have said it better myself.

This "grind" would be much more fun and bearable if everything had a chance to drop stuff. Maybe even extra tomes.

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Originally Posted by Blazn

CM Praetorium AK there's one more dungeon can't think of the name and even primals with a good party are downed fast enough to farm really sounds like the OP is just wanting shit handed to him while on easy mode.

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No. He, like me and quite a few others, just think the tomestones is a dumb mechanic. You can have all the best gear and barely know how to play your class, or play in a party. Its. SAD.

Well seems alot of people are happy with the current method of obtaining tomes, so i don't expect SE will make any radical changes any time soon.
So like alot of the white knights have said, i will just play something else.
Although i dont agree this is the "bread and butter of mmo's" as one poster put it because most mmo's are super casual these days but i do understand that this is just how FF14 works its grindy and teh current playerbase are happy with that.
Id prefer harder dungeons/content that drop tomes/gear personally but if players prefer grind that is exactly what SE will give them , so have fun with that :D